What is the Isobar Binding Energy and How Does it Affect Atom Masses?

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Isobars are nuclei with the same mass numbers, and the discussion focuses on the binding energy and neutron-to-proton ratios of three specific isobars: 139/57 La, 139/59 Pr, and 139/55 Cs. The stable isotope La is noted to have the highest binding energy, indicating its stability. There is confusion regarding the existence of 139/59 Pr, with one participant calculating its atomic mass incorrectly, leading to an exaggerated binding energy. Precision in atomic mass calculations is emphasized as critical for accurate binding energy results. The conversation highlights the importance of using reliable sources for atomic mass data to avoid errors in calculations.
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Homework Statement
Nuclei having the same mass numbers are called isobars. The isotope 139/57 La is stable. A radioactive isobar 139/59 Pr decays by e+ emission. Another radioactive isobar 139/55 Cs, decays by e- emission. a) Which of these 3 isobars has the highest neutron to proton ratio? b) Which has the greatest binding energy per nucleon?
Relevant Equations
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jjson775 said:
Homework Statement:: Nuclei having the same mass numbers are called isobars. The isotope 139/57 La is stable. A radioactive isobar 139/59 Pr decays by e+ emission. Another radioactive isobar 139/55 Cs, decays by e- emission. a) Which of these 3 isobars has the highest neutron to proton ratio? b) Which has the greatest binding energy per nucleon?
Relevant Equations:: See below

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How are you calculating the atomic masses of the isotopes? I just looked them up, and calculate that the La has the highest binding energy, as expected for the most stable.
 
139/59 Pr does not exist according to my table. So, to calculate the atomic mass to use in the binding formula, I used 140.908 for 141 Pr and subtracted the mass of 2 neutrons to give me an atomic mass of 138.9 for 139 Pr., as shown in the picture of my work. Apparently, my reasoning is wrong because the binding energy I get is too big.
 
jjson775 said:
139/59 Pr does not exist according to my table. So, to calculate the atomic mass to use in the binding formula, I used 140.908 for 141 Pr and subtracted the mass of 2 neutrons to give me an atomic mass of 138.9 for 139 Pr., as shown in the picture of my work. Apparently, my reasoning is wrong because the binding energy I get is too big.
At https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/9783527618798.app2 it is given as 138.9089322.
The problem with your approximation method is that all three will have binding energies (correction: I mean, of course, atomic masses) close to 138.9, so precision is crucial.
 
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Thanks. I found a reference with more precise atom masses.
 
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