Isosceles Triangle related rates problem

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The problem involves a trough shaped like an isosceles triangle, with dimensions specified for its length, base, and height. The scenario describes the rate at which the trough is being filled with water and seeks to determine how fast the water level is rising at a specific depth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the volume formula for the trough and differentiate it with respect to time. They explore using similar triangles to relate the base and height as the water level changes. Questions arise regarding the correct formulation of variables and the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in clarifying the relationships between the variables involved, particularly how to express the base as a function of height. There is an ongoing exploration of the differentiation process and the implications of variable relationships on the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the relationships between the dimensions of the trough and the water level, as well as the need to account for changing dimensions during differentiation.

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Homework Statement


A trough is 9 ft long and its ends have the shape of isosceles triangles that are 5 ft across at the top and have a height of 1 ft. If the trough is being filled with water at a rate of 14 ft3/min, how fast is the water level rising when the water is 8 inches deep?

Variables:
b=5 ft
h=1 ft
l=9 ft

Homework Equations


v=(1/2)bhl
dv/dt=14
dh/dt=?
when h=2/3 ft

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried doing it the straightforward way:
v=(1/2)bhl
dv/dt=(1/2)(5)(2/3)(dh/dt)(9)
14=(1/2)(5)(2/3)(dh/dt)(9)
dh/dt=14/15

This is wrong. Then I tried using similar triangles to get the new base to go along with the height of 8 in. For that I got 10/3 ft. So,
v=(1/2)bhl
dv/dt=(1/2)(10/3)(2/3)(dh/dt)(9)
14=(1/2)(10/3)(2/3)(dh/dt)(9)
dh/dt= 7/5

This is also incorrect. I really don't know why. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Hi hks118! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You need to write b as a function of h before you differentiate. :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi hks118! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You need to write b as a function of h before you differentiate. :wink:

Thanks for the reply!

So b=5h correct? but if I plug in my h value, I get 10/3, which was wrong.:confused:
 
(just got up :zzz: …)

What was your equation for dv/dt?
 
tiny-tim said:
(just got up :zzz: …)

What was your equation for dv/dt?


Well, v=1/2bhl so I figured dv/dt=1/2bh(dh/dt)l. Or do I need db/dt and dl/dt as well?
 
hks118 said:
Well, v=1/2bhl so I figured dv/dt=1/2bh(dh/dt)l.

That wouldn't be right even if b was constant. :confused:

Try again. :smile:
 

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