Isothermal exapansion, work done

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for the work done during the isothermal expansion of one mole of an ideal gas from an initial volume V1 to a final volume V2 at a constant temperature T.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express uncertainty about the derivation process, noting the relationship between volume and pressure in isothermal conditions. Questions arise regarding whether the process is reversible or irreversible, and what specific outcome is desired regarding the work done.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and guidance on how to approach the integration needed for the work calculation. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the conditions of the process, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information regarding the nature of the isothermal process (reversible vs. irreversible) and the implications this has on the calculation of work done. There is also mention of the external pressure not being a concern in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Derive an expression for the amount of work done when one mole of an ideal gas expands isothermally at a temperature T from an initial volume V1 to a final volume V2.


Homework Equations


PV = nRT
W = V2V1Pdv

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not really sure how to go about this, I know if it's isothermal the temperature doesn't change so Volume would be inversely proportional to Pressure. But other than that i don't know what to do, to be honest I'm not really exactly what they want me to write. Any help would be much appreciated :)
 
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Saxby said:

Homework Statement


Derive an expression for the amount of work done when one mole of an ideal gas expands isothermally at a temperature T from an initial volume V1 to a final volume V2.


Homework Equations


PV = nRT
W = V2V1Pdv

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not really sure how to go about this, I know if it's isothermal the temperature doesn't change so Volume would be inversely proportional to Pressure. But other than that i don't know what to do, to be honest I'm not really exactly what they want me to write. Any help would be much appreciated :)

The question seems to be incomplete. It is isothermal expansion , fine. But its isothermal reversible or isothermal irreversible process , its just not mentioned.

I ask you a question : Do you want to calculate maximum work done by the gas , or not in an isothermal process. If former , consider the process reversible , else irreversible.

Oh , they do not concern you about external pressure. Consider your process reversible then.

Hint :

W = V2V1Pdv ...(i)

PV=nRT => P=nRT/V

Now replace this value of P in (i) and carry on your integration.
 
Thanks for the Hint that's makes sense, my final answer (upon using that hint) would be W = RT * Ln(V). I think that's the answer but i'll try and confirm it with my lecturer tommorow if i can. Thanks for your help.
 
Saxby said:
Thanks for the Hint that's makes sense, my final answer (upon using that hint) would be W = RT * Ln(V). I think that's the answer but i'll try and confirm it with my lecturer tommorow if i can. Thanks for your help.

No you should get W=RT*ln(V2/V1)

See your integral again. Be careful while doing integration.
 

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