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The discussion revolves around understanding Proposition 6.1.4 from Paul E. Bland's book "Rings and Their Modules," specifically the application of canonical injections to the Jacobson radical of direct sums of modules. Participants seek clarification on the implications of Exercise 3 in establishing the relationship between the radicals of individual modules and their direct sum.

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  • Peter expresses confusion about how the canonical injections apply to the Jacobson radicals of the modules and questions the necessity of Exercise 3 in this context.
  • Some participants explain that Exercise 3 is used to show that the direct sum of the radicals of two modules is contained within the radical of their direct sum.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to demonstrate that elements from the radicals of the individual modules map into the radical of the direct sum via the canonical injections.
  • Peter seeks further clarification on why the mapping of the radicals holds true and how Exercise 3 supports this assertion.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of the canonical injections and references the specific result from Exercise 3(a) that establishes the mapping of the radicals.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of Exercise 3 for establishing the relationship between the radicals, but there is ongoing uncertainty and requests for clarification regarding the implications of the exercise and the mappings involved.

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There is a reliance on the definitions and properties of the Jacobson radical and canonical injections, which may not be fully articulated in the discussion. The participants are navigating through the implications of these concepts without reaching a definitive resolution on all points of confusion.

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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book, "Rings and Their Modules".

I am focused on Section 6.1 The Jacobson Radical ... ...

I need help with the proof of Proposition 6.1.4 ... Proposition 6.1.4 and its proof read as follows:
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In the above proof from Bland we read:"... ... If $$i_1 \ : \ M_1 \longrightarrow M_1 \oplus M_2$$ and $$i_2 \ : \ M_2 \longrightarrow M_1 \oplus M_2$$ are the canonical injections, then (a) of Exercise 3 shows that

$$i_k \ : \ \text{ Rad}(M_k) \longrightarrow \text{ Rad}(M_1 \oplus M_2) $$... ...

... ... ... "

My question/problem/issue is that I cannot understand the meaning of the statement that (a) of Exercise 3 shows that

$$i_k \ : \ \text{ Rad}(M_k) \longrightarrow \text{ Rad}(M_1 \oplus M_2)$$ ... ...
How do the canonical injections $$i_k$$ apply to $$\text{ Rad}(M_k)$$ and $$\text{ Rad}(M_1 \oplus M_2)$$ ... ...Is it trivially simple in that $$\text{ Rad}(M_k) $$ is a set of elements of $$M_k$$ and so the canonical injection operates as usual? But then... why, exactly, do we need Exercise 3? Can someone explain in simple terms ... ... exactly what is going on ...

Peter
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NOTE ... ... The above post refers to Exercise 3 of Bland, Section 6.1 so I am providing the text of that example ... as follows:
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Hi Peter,

The Exercise was needed in order to establish $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Let $(x,y)$ be an element of $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2)$. Then $(x,y) = (x,0) + (0,y) = i_1(x) + i_2(y)$. We want to get $i_1(x), i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, for then the sum $i_1(x) + i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. By the Exercise, $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$; since $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$, then $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Similarly, $i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, as desired. As $(x,y)$ was arbitrary, $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$.
 
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

The Exercise was needed in order to establish $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Let $(x,y)$ be an element of $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2)$. Then $(x,y) = (x,0) + (0,y) = i_1(x) + i_2(y)$. We want to get $i_1(x), i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, for then the sum $i_1(x) + i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. By the Exercise, $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$; since $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$, then $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Similarly, $i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, as desired. As $(x,y)$ was arbitrary, $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$.
Thanks Euge ... really appreciate your help ...

just reflecting on the proof and what what you have said ...

Peter
 
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

The Exercise was needed in order to establish $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Let $(x,y)$ be an element of $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2)$. Then $(x,y) = (x,0) + (0,y) = i_1(x) + i_2(y)$. We want to get $i_1(x), i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, for then the sum $i_1(x) + i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. By the Exercise, $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$; since $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$, then $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Similarly, $i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, as desired. As $(x,y)$ was arbitrary, $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1) \oplus \operatorname{Rad}(M_2) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$.
Hi Euge,

Thanks for the post ... but I need some further help ... sorry if i am not following you exactly ...

You write:

" ... ... By the Exercise, $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$; since $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$, then $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Similarly, $i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, as desired. ... ... ""I am unsure how exactly Exercise 1 shows that $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$ ... ... what part of Exercise 3 shows this ...??In particular I am unsure regarding exactly why $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ implies that $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$ ... ... can you show me why this is true ... ? I mean, obviously if $$x \in M_1$$ then $$i_1(x) \in M_1 \oplus M_2$$ ... ... but why does it also follow for the radicals of $$M_1$$ and $$M_1 \oplus M_2$$ ... ?Hope you can help ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
Hi Euge,

Thanks for the post ... but I need some further help ... sorry if i am not following you exactly ...

You write:

" ... ... By the Exercise, $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$; since $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$, then $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. Similarly, $i_2(y)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, as desired. ... ... ""I am unsure how exactly Exercise 1 shows that $i_1$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$ ... ... what part of Exercise 3 shows this ...??In particular I am unsure regarding exactly why $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1)$ implies that $i_1(x)\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$ ... ... can you show me why this is true ... ? I mean, obviously if $$x \in M_1$$ then $$i_1(x) \in M_1 \oplus M_2$$ ... ... but why does it also follow for the radicals of $$M_1$$ and $$M_1 \oplus M_2$$ ... ?Hope you can help ...

Peter

Based on your reply, it would seem that you don't know what the $i_k$. In case you don't, $i_1 : M_1\to M_1 \oplus M_2$ is given by $i_1(x) = (x,0)$, and $i_2 : M_2 \to M_1 \oplus M_2$ is given by $i_2(y) = (0,y)$. The part I used from Exercise 3(a) was just the result in its first sentence.

Take $f = i_k$, $M = M_k$, and $N = M_1 \oplus M_2$ in the first sentence of Exercise 3(a). The result gives $i_k(\operatorname{Rad}(M_k)) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$. In other words, $i_k$ maps $\operatorname{Rad}(M_k)$ into $\operatorname{Rad}(M_1 \oplus M_2)$. So you can see that if $x\in \operatorname{Rad}(M_k)$, then $i_k(x) \in \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$, by the very condition that $i_k(\operatorname{Rad}(M_k)) \subset \operatorname{Rad}(M_1\oplus M_2)$.
 

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