What is the Correct Middle Name of James Clerk/Clark Maxwell?

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The discussion centers around the correct middle name of the physicist James Clerk Maxwell, specifically the spelling and pronunciation of "Clerk" versus "Clark." It explores the nuances of pronunciation in different dialects and the historical context of these variations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that "Clerk" is the correct spelling, while noting that it is pronounced "Clark."
  • One participant mentions that many physicists are particular about name pronunciations, citing examples of mispronunciations.
  • Another participant discusses the historical context of the pronunciation, suggesting that the British pronunciation may have originated as an affectation or from uneducated speech.
  • There is mention of the evolution of pronunciation over time, with references to regional differences between British and American English.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about the pronunciation of another physicist's name, Sturm, highlighting the complexities of name pronunciations across languages and cultures.
  • A humorous remark is made about the complexity of a Polish physicist's name, indicating the challenges of pronunciation in the field.

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Participants express differing views on the correct pronunciation and spelling of Maxwell's middle name, with no consensus reached on the matter.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about pronunciation norms and historical linguistic changes, which remain unresolved.

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Which is it?? For such an amazingly influential recent figure in science, you would think that we could be sure of his name! It seems to be accepted that Clerk is the correct middle name, but I have heard Clark so many times on videos that I'm not sure what is right!
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It's spelled Clerk, pronounced "Clark." I have found that a lot of physicists are very pedantic on the pronunciations of the names. I have had more than one physics professor that always said "Einschtein."
 
Ahh I see! Thank you very much!
 
I have figured out Debye, but how to pronounce Peierls?
 
"Clerk" proper name or common noun is pronounced "Clark" in British English.

I have read that this British pronunciation was originally an affectation, and I have read the opposite, that it was a takeover from uneducated speech. The second seems more likely to me. Certainly the surnames Clark and Clarke are much more common than Clerk. The Latin and French roots are er of course, as in cleric etc. This change seems to have happened so early that I’d guess the American pronunciation is a later decision to ‘say as spelt’? And are you sure that all Americans do always say it that way? - see the last sentence of this wiki extract:

The pronunciation (klärk), spelled clark and clerk, arose in the south of England during the 15th century and is today the Received Pronunciation of clerk in the United Kingdom. The modern American pronunciation (klûrk) more closely represents the older pronunciation. The pronunciation (klärk) is used in the United States only in the proper name Clark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_pronunciation
 
Another odd one you often need to say is Sturm. I have always said and thought of it as the English S ur sound. Then one day I thought hey, this is an Anglicisation though no doubt an irreversibly established one. I ought to be saying something like Shtoorm. But later I found out he was not German though his parents were from Strasbourg. He was born in Francophone Geneva (Francophone now and I suppose then, at any rate he took classes to learn German) and spent most of his career in Paris, France. I do not imagine the Parisians made any concessions to foreign diction; I think the name does not fit easily into French diction, I imagine they did not know quite what to make of it but probably made it sound something like Monsieur Stume or Stuhrme. It must have been a lifelong awkwardness for him. Anyway I think that all let's me pronounce it how I always did.
 
You should consider yourself lucky that there was no famous Polish physicist called Brzęczyszczykiewicz.

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