Jet Exhaust Velocity: Turbojet & Turbofan Engine Advantages

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exhaust velocity of turbojet and turbofan engines, particularly comparing them to afterburning versions of these engines. Participants explore the implications of high exhaust velocities in non-afterburning engines, considering hypothetical scenarios where no additional fuel is consumed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the advantages of high exhaust velocity in turbojet and turbofan engines without afterburners, assuming no additional fuel consumption.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the question pertains to why afterburning engines exhibit lower exhaust gas velocities compared to non-afterburning engines.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes the assumption of no additional fuel consumption as unrealistic, describing it as an "extremely wild" assumption.
  • Further contributions suggest that flame stability and thermal choking are factors that could lead to slower velocities in afterburning engines, with one participant detailing the mechanics of flame holders and the effects of heat on duct flow and Mach number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the assumption regarding fuel consumption and the implications of exhaust velocities, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions that may not hold in practical scenarios, particularly regarding fuel consumption and the stability of flame holders at high velocities. The complexities of thermal choking and its relationship with Mach number are also noted but not fully resolved.

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in turbojet and turbofan engine the hot gas exhaust velocity is less to compare with after burener turbojet and turbofan engine. in case the turbojet and turbofan enigne hot gas exhaust velocity is high without after burner, what is the advantage? assume it does not consume any additional fuel
 
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Just to make sure I understand your question, you want to know why an engine with an afterburner has a lower exhaust gas velocity than a non-afterburning engine?
 
...assuming that the afterburner doesn't consume any additional fuel?
 
minger said:
...assuming that the afterburner doesn't consume any additional fuel?
It is an assumption...an extremely wild, unrealistic, not even on the planet kind of assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.
 
minger said:
...assuming that the afterburner doesn't consume any additional fuel?

You mean you don't know about the magic afterburners?
 
OK. We may have scared him off with the no extra fuel stuff. However, there are two reasons I can think of that would dictate a slower velocity in the reheat zones:

1) Flame stability. Even though the big A/B's usually have igniters in them, they still need flame holders to maintain the flame front. The blunt body flame holders work by inducing a hot gas recirculation zone in its wake. This works well but higher velocities tend to make them unstable. They do allow for higher velocities than the flame speed but the proper burning is a tough thing to achieve with very high velocities.

2) Thermal choking. In duct flow, the addition of heat will decrease density and increase mach number. This will happen until the M=1 limit is reached. After that you can not add any more heat to the flow. Cohen, Rogers & Saravanamuttoo have a nice plot showing various mach number lines and how they interact with the thermal choke line based on delta P of the duct and A/B temperature ratio. It's very easy to see that with a high inlet mach number, the thermal choke limit is reached very quickly with small temperature ratios (pg 123 in my edition).
 

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