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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around President Obama's Jobs Act speech, specifically its implications, effectiveness, and the broader economic context. Participants explore various perspectives on government roles in education and worker revitalization, the fiscal strategies proposed, and the potential impact of the speech on public sentiment and policy initiatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of the Jobs Act, suggesting it is merely a step in the right direction rather than a comprehensive solution.
  • There are differing opinions on the appropriate duration for unemployment benefits, with some advocating for shorter extensions to encourage urgency.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the federal government's role in education and worker revitalization, with some arguing it is not the government's job while others question the implications of such a stance.
  • Participants discuss the potential for corporate tax reforms as a means to generate revenue, with some suggesting lowering rates to encourage compliance and others questioning the feasibility of such an approach.
  • There is a critique of the President's strategy to intertwine funding with deficit reduction efforts, with some expressing distrust in the proposed plans and their timing.
  • Some participants highlight the challenges of balancing spending and deficit reduction, questioning the practicality of the proposed economic strategies.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of increasing spending while simultaneously calling for deficit reduction, with references to historical precedents and political negotiations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and implications of the Jobs Act, with no clear consensus on its merits or the proposed fiscal strategies. Disagreements persist regarding the role of government in economic revitalization and the best approaches to tax reform.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various economic theories and political strategies, highlighting the complexity of the issues at hand. There are unresolved questions about the definitions of terms like "renew education" and "revitalize workers," as well as the implications of proposed tax reforms on broader economic policies.

  • #31
The low interest rates of today will not remain low. Unlike borrower via the personal credit card or car loan, the federal government does not intend to pay off its debts in two or five years, it intends instead to roll over those debts on to new future debt with future interest. rates. So borrowing today with no concern to the future is the Lehman Brothers plan, is reckless, and may lead to similar results.

Edit: A plan to pay off the US debt over 30 years would mean increasing spending by ~$500B a year to pay off the lenders, and that is after zeroing the current $1.6T deficit immediately.
 
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  • #32
russ_watters said:
Six weeks. That's all it took for Obama to push us in the opposite direction of the debt deal.

Well, to be fair, the fiscal year is almost over. He needs a new budget in three weeks.

That has other problems: there isn't a President's Budget for FY2012. Well, there was, in February, but a) the Senate voted it down 0-97, and b) in April, the Presidents' speech (of "we don't score speeches" fame) indicated that the President himself was no longer in favor of that budget either.
 
  • #33
Vanadium 50 said:
Well, to be fair, the fiscal year is almost over. He needs a new budget in three weeks.

That has other problems: there isn't a President's Budget for FY2012. Well, there was, in February, but a) the Senate voted it down 0-97, and b) in April, the Presidents' speech (of "we don't score speeches" fame) indicated that the President himself was no longer in favor of that budget either.

It's only fair to give him credit when credit is due - he clearly realized his budget proposal was a bad plan. I'm just not sure if he would agree as to WHY it was a bad plan?
 

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