Jonsson’s apparatus for photons rather than electrons

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The discussion revolves around the scaling of parameters in an experimental setup originally designed for electrons when adapting it for use with visible light photons. Participants explore the implications of changing slit width (d), distance from the slits to the screen (D), and the distance between adjacent maxima in the interference pattern (w). The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of diffraction and interference patterns in quantum physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the need to scale d, D, and w when transitioning from electrons to photons, suggesting that only the slit width needs adjustment for diffraction to occur.
  • Another participant clarifies that the relationship between w, D, and d is given by the equation $$w = \lambda \,{D\over d}$$, indicating that w scales with the wavelength (λ).
  • There is a discussion about whether scaling d and D by the same factor would result in w remaining unchanged, with some participants arguing that a scale factor from λ must still be considered.
  • Participants note that the experiment illustrates the sophistication of electron experiments and the smallness of wavelengths involved, even for light particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of scaling parameters when adapting the apparatus for photons. There is no consensus on whether changing all three parameters is essential or if only the slit width needs to be modified.

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Participants reference specific equations and relationships, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the scaling process and its effects on the interference pattern.

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What values would d,D,and w take if Jonsson’s apparatus were simply scaled up for use with visible light rather than electrons?
In the prompt 4c in this problem set: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics...-i-spring-2013/assignments/MIT8_04S13_ps1.pdf. We are asked to find out how d, D and w will change (where d is the slit width, D is the distance from the slits to the screen and w is the distance between adjacent maxima in the interference pattern) if the apparatus were to be scaled up for use with visible light rather than electrons. In part 4a, we found out that the relationship between these variables is ##w = \frac{Dh}{dp}## or ##w = \frac{D \lambda}{dp}##. The answer for 4c is (https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics...pring-2013/assignments/MIT8_04S13_ps1_sol.pdf) that we would scale each quantity by the ratio of the wavelength of the photon to the wavelength of the electron used earlier. Why is that the case? I don't think I understand what it means to scale up the apparatus for use with visible light. Why would you want to scale it up? To make sure that w stays the same? But if that were the case, in the answer, w's value would be the same...
 
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Phys12 said:
Why would you want to scale it up?
It's a 'what if ' question to show that the electron experiment is quite sophisticated.


Phys12 said:
in the answer, w's value would be the same...
No: $$w = \lambda \,{D\over d}$$so ##w## scales with ##\lambda##.
 
BvU said:
It's a 'what if ' question to show that the electron experiment is quite sophisticated.
But why do you need to change D, w, and d in order to incorporate photons? I thought the only thing that needed to change was the slit width to actually make the diffraction happen...

BvU said:
No: $$w = \lambda \,{D\over d}$$so ##w## scales with ##\lambda##.
Right, but if you scale ##d## and ##D## by the same amount, wouldn't the two ##a##'s cancel to give you the original ##w##?
 
Phys12 said:
But why do you need to change D, w, and d in order to incorporate photons? I thought the only thing that needed to change was the slit width to actually make the diffraction happen...
The point they are trying to make is that the angle is really small. There is no one who would actually put the screen at 35 km...
Right, but if you scale ##d## and ##D## by the same amount, wouldn't the two ##a##'s cancel to give you the original ##w##?
those two ##a## cancel yes, but there still is a scale factor from ##\lambda## itself

All they are really trying to bring across here is that wavelengths for even the lightest particles are very, very small.
 

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