Find absolute extrma of sin(cos(x))

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The discussion revolves around finding the absolute extrema of the function f(x) = sin(cos(x)) on the interval [0, 2π]. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for extrema, particularly focusing on the derivative and its implications.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the derivative of the function and its critical points, questioning when the product of terms equals zero. They explore the implications of the endpoints of the interval and the conditions under which the derivative is zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the conditions for extrema and examining the behavior of the function's derivative. Some guidance has been offered regarding the critical points, but no consensus has been reached on the complete solution.

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Participants are considering the values that cos(x) can take and how that affects cos(cos(x)). There is an ongoing examination of the implications of the trigonometric identities and the behavior of the function within the specified interval.

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Homework Statement


A simple question; find the absolute extrema of f(x)=sin(cos(x)) on the interval [0,2pi].


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The chain rule


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Assuming that I am correct about the derivative being -cos(cos(x))sin(x), how do you solve
-cos(cos(x))sin(x)=0
 
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Assuming you are right - when does x*y equal 0?
 
The absolute extrema must occur at the endpoints of the interval or at the solutions to the equation f'(x)=0. Do I change the trigonometric product into a sum using sin(A+B)+sin(A-B). When is x*y=0? when either x or y =0.
 
John O' Meara said:
When is x*y=0? when either x or y =0.

Can't you use this information to solve your equation?
 
So you are saying that sin(x)=0 => x=0,pi,2pi and how about the cos(cos(x))=0.
 
for what t's cos(t)=0?
 
For what t's cos(t)=0, t= pi/2, 3pi/2
 
What values can cos(x) take? If so, what values can cos(cos(x)) take?
 
the cos(x) can take on all values in the interval [-1,1], depending on the value of x.
 
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Take it a step further - can you tell anything about cos([-1,1])?

And start moving on your own, my hand hurts from spoonfeeding.
 
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I know all that, but I can't see it as a solution. Obviously cos([-1,1]) is positive only. I hope your hand doesn't hurt too much. Thanks very much for the help.
 
  • #12
x*y=0 if y is always > 0.
 

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