Ketones Saturation: Acetone CH3COCH3

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the saturation of ketones, specifically acetone (CH3COCH3), in the context of a chemistry exam question regarding the number of hydrogen moles required to react with acetone to form a saturated compound. The scope includes theoretical considerations of chemical saturation and reactions involving acetone.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether ketones, such as acetone, can be considered saturated, referencing a chemistry exam question that asks how many moles of hydrogen are needed to saturate acetone.
  • Another participant argues that the term "saturated" should only apply to carbon-carbon bonds, suggesting that acetone is saturated and can react with hydrogen to produce a saturated alkane.
  • A participant mentions that they initially believed no hydrogen moles were needed for acetone, but noted the official answer indicated 1 mole is required, which they found confusing.
  • Some participants express confusion over the exam question and the provided answers, with one noting that a secondary alcohol formed from acetone is also a saturated compound.
  • There is a discussion about the degree of unsaturation of acetone, with a participant stating it has a degree of unsaturation of 1, indicating the presence of a double bond or ring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether acetone is saturated and how many moles of hydrogen are needed for saturation. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the exam question or the saturation status of acetone.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential confusion regarding the definitions of saturation in organic chemistry, particularly in relation to functional groups and the context of the exam question. The degree of unsaturation is also mentioned but not fully resolved in terms of its implications for saturation.

Nader AbdlGhani
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Are ketones saturated ? for example , Acetone ( CH3COCH3 ) my question is aroused by a question in the General Secondary Education Certificate Chemistry exam here in Egypt , as the question there was : How many moles of hydrogen molecules are required to react with one mole of : 1) Acetone. 2) Biphenyl. to obtain a saturated compound , the problem is with the Acetone not the Biphenyl of course .
 
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I would not apply term "saturated" to other bonds than carbon-carbon ones (so I would consider acetone to be saturated). That doesn't stop it from reacting with hydrogen and producing a saturated alkane.
 
Borek said:
I would not apply term "saturated" to other bonds than carbon-carbon ones (so I would consider acetone to be saturated). That doesn't stop it from reacting with hydrogen and producing a saturated alkane.
That's what has come in my mind during the exam , and I wrote 0 hydrogen moles , but when I saw the ministry of education's official model answer they wrote 1 mole for acetone and 6 moles for diphenyl , and won't it (acetone) form secondary alcohol when it reacts with hydrogen ?
 
I think the question is a bit confusing. At the same time the answer given is hardly incorrect - secondary alcohol is a saturated compound, so 1 mole is enough.
 
Borek said:
I think the question is a bit confusing. At the same time the answer given is hardly incorrect - secondary alcohol is a saturated compound, so 1 mole is enough.
So the last answer is ? and can I know what is your educational background ?
 
When going from a chemical formula (e.g. CH3COCH3) to a structural formula, it is often useful to calculate the degree of unsaturation, which tells you how many pi bonds/rings are present in the compound. Acetone has a degree of unsaturation of 1, indicating that there is one double bond or ring in the molecule.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
When going from a chemical formula (e.g. CH3COCH3) to a structural formula, it is often useful to calculate the degree of unsaturation, which tells you how many pi bonds/rings are present in the compound. Acetone has a degree of unsaturation of 1, indicating that there is one double bond or ring in the molecule.
Well , thanks but that's so confusing ...
 

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