Keyboard and Language dependency in Windows 10

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of different keyboard layouts in Windows 10, specifically the possibility of using a French keyboard layout while the system language is set to English. Participants explore the implications of keyboard and language dependencies in the operating system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to use a French keyboard layout while the system language is set to English, highlighting the potential for confusion with key mappings.
  • Another participant shares an experience where switching to a French keyboard caused login issues due to differences in key mappings, particularly with the letter 'A' being represented differently on the French layout.
  • Some participants mention that Windows allows for keyboard type settings but express frustration over the system reverting to default settings, such as QWERTY, without clear reasons.
  • One participant suggests that there is a dependency between keyboard layouts and system language settings, indicating that using a French keyboard with English language settings may not be straightforward.
  • Another participant references keyboard scan codes to explain why simply plugging in a French keyboard may not work as expected, and suggests checking Windows settings for keyboard specifications.
  • Links to external resources are provided by participants to assist in changing keyboard layouts and exploring options like the French-Canadian keyboard layout.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using a French keyboard layout with an English language setting in Windows 10. There is no consensus on whether this can be achieved easily, and frustrations with the operating system's behavior are noted.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to keyboard scan codes and the potential for confusion when switching layouts. The discussion highlights unresolved issues regarding the persistence of keyboard settings in Windows 10.

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In windows 10 when we are using a language can we use a different keyboard belonging to another language. For example can we use win 10 in English but can we use a French keyboard layout.

Thank you.
 
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When you say different keyboard do you mean you want to physically switch to a different keyboard.

french keyboard:
frenchkeyboard.jpg


vs english keyboard:

us_keyboard_layout.jpg


During internationalization testing, a programmer did this in my group. He decided to swap out his english keyboard for a french one and discovered that he couldn't login. The reason was his password had an A in it so he realized he couldn't press the French keyboard A but instead had to type the French keyboard Q which was in the same physical location.

Basically the printed keycaps are there for us to type with. Pressing a key on the keyboard sends a scan code to the computer. The computer uses a scancode to character table which maps the key to the correct character.

Here's a keyboard with scancodes:
scancod1.gif
 
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Yes and no. Windows allows you to set the keyboard type with an icon in the dashboard if you set it to.

However... Windows is stupid. It'll forget. At least three times a day I have to set my keyboard back to dvorak because Windows just decided to switch it to qwerty. There doesn't seem to be any reason to why or when this change happens, it just seems english qwerty has some special characteristics in the windows OS that occasionally causes it to be reverted to, regardless of your current keyboard settings.
 
stoomart said:

I looked the link and I know that. This is what I have mean to say. In win 10, there is dependency between keyboards and languages. By that setting, one cannot use French keyboard with Engish language but I want to go beyond this dependency i. e I want to use a French keyboard with language is set to English.

Thank you.
 
Did you read my post on keyboard scan codes?

This is why you can't just plug in the french keyboard because the keycaps are switched around some.

Have you looked in Windows 10 to see if you can specify the keyboard you want to use?

Searching on Google:

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...sing+a+french+keyboard+with+english+windows&*

I found this link:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/258824/how-to-change-your-keyboard-layout

They do mention that you might choose french-canadian keyboard to get what you want.
 

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