Kim Peek: An Inspiration Despite His Disability

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This discussion centers around Kim Peek, his extraordinary memory capabilities, and the implications of his condition as a savant. Participants explore various aspects of his abilities, including reading speed, memorization, and the potential for similar capabilities in others, while also touching on the challenges he faced due to his autism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for Kim Peek's ability to read and memorize vast amounts of information, noting he could read two pages simultaneously.
  • Others question the feasibility of such claims, suggesting they may be hyperbolic and expressing skepticism about the literal interpretation of his reading abilities.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of Peek's savant abilities for understanding human potential, suggesting that there may not be a physiological limit to such capabilities.
  • There is a suggestion that Peek's unique cerebral structure contributed to his memorization skills, but some participants argue that this may also have limited his critical thinking abilities.
  • Some participants reflect on the societal perceptions of individuals like Peek, noting that he was initially dismissed by a neurologist who recommended institutionalization.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for cybernetic enhancements to replicate Peek's abilities without the associated disadvantages of his condition.
  • Participants mention that Peek lacked a key connection between the hemispheres of his brain, which influenced how he processed information and interacted socially.

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Participants express a mix of admiration and skepticism regarding Peek's abilities. While there is a general appreciation for his extraordinary memory, there is no consensus on the implications of his condition, the feasibility of replicating his abilities, or the extent of his critical thinking skills.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about Peek's abilities and the neurological aspects of his condition are based on anecdotal evidence and personal interpretations, which may not be universally accepted or verified.

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That's sad, that guy probably had more information in his brain than any two people.
He would read eight books a day, taking just ten seconds to read a page. He could read two pages simultaneously, his left eye reading the left page and his right eye reading the right page.
This keeps getting repeated, but I don't see how it's possible. I thought at first they meant it as hyperbole to show how fast he reads, but I think they're saying he literally does that.
 
By the time of his death he had committed more than 9,000 books to memory . . .
Wow - I'd be pleased to memorize 1 book.

RIP Kim
 
leroyjenkens said:
That's sad, that guy probably had more information in his brain than any two people.

This keeps getting repeated, but I don't see how it's possible. I thought at first they meant it as hyperbole to show how fast he reads, but I think they're saying he literally does that.

What astounds me about these savants is the ramifications for the rest of us. We ALL have the potential to do this. There is no physiological bottleneck to reading and memorizing 8 books a day.


btw qedprigmosyno, 'retarded' is a deprecated (and somewhat derogatory) term. He is autistic.
 
DaveC426913 said:
What astounds me about these savants is the ramifications for the rest of us. We ALL have the potential to do this. There is no physiological bottleneck to reading and memorizing 8 books a day.
I don't know of too many people with that capability - actually I know of no one else. He was autisitic and it takes a unique cerebral structure to memorize, especially the volume of books he did.

On the other hand, how was he at solving problems or theory development. Could he have memorized technical books on general relativity or the standard model and worked out new directions? Or optimized materials for more aggressive operating environments? . . .
 
[OFF TOPIC] I didn't recognise DaveC426913;2507645 without his open-skull-lookit-my-brain avatar [/OFF TOPIC]

Peek sounds like an interesting fellow. I'm sure he'll be missed.
 
DaveC426913 said:
What astounds me about these savants is the ramifications for the rest of us. We ALL have the potential to do this. There is no physiological bottleneck to reading and memorizing 8 books a day.

i'm not convinced of this. didn't he lack a division between his hemispheres or something? he just wasn't wired like most of us.

btw qedprigmosyno, 'retarded' is a deprecated (and somewhat derogatory) term. He is autistic.

every superhero has his kryptonite.
 
Astronuc said:
On the other hand, how was he at solving problems or theory development. Could he have memorized technical books on general relativity or the standard model and worked out new directions? Or optimized materials for more aggressive operating environments? . . .

I believe he was exceptionally poor at critical thought which is the downfall of his miraculous ability. Just imagine with his knowledge, what theories he could have amassed.
 
qedprigmosyno said:
I believe he was exceptionally poor at critical thought which is the downfall of his miraculous ability. Just imagine with his knowledge, what theories he could have amassed.
I think people like that are written off before it's too late.

In the video, his dad talks about going to visit a neurologist, who spent 5 minutes with them and told his dad to put Kim in a state mental institution and forget about him. The neurologist was late for a round of golf. :rolleyes: Fortunately, Fran Peek, Kim's dad, ignored the neurologist.
 
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Astronuc said:
I don't know of too many people with that capability - actually I know of no one else. He was autisitic and it takes a unique cerebral structure to memorize, especially the volume of books he did.

What I mean is that there is no hardware bottleneck. Our eyes and nerves and brains are capable of processing and storing this amount of information at this rate. It is a software bottleneck only. It is the software that is throttling back the throughput.
 
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I wish I could have his capability without the crippling disadvantages. Then again with cybernetic enhancements that might actually be a possibility in the future...

In the video, his dad talks about going to visit a neurologist, who spent 5 minutes with them and told his dad to put Kim in a state mental institution and forget about him. The neurologist was late for a round of golf. Fortunately, Fran Peek, Kim's dad, ignored the neurologist.

When did he go wisit the neurologist?
 
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Thank you for that youtube link. I watched all 5 episodes. Amazing.

He lacked a key connection between the hemispheres of his brain. As a consequence he used his brain differently. He seemed to use his ability to connect to others. That seemed to be his motivation. Used what he had in the only way he could to interact socially. Just reinforces how we are all ultimately social animals and connect any way we can.

Wow!
 
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aquitaine said:
I wish I could have his capability without the crippling disadvantages. Then again with cybernetic enhancements that might actually be a possibility in the future...

When did he go visit the neurologist?
At 3:29 into the video (timesonline link in the OP), Fran Peek mentions the visit to the neurologist when Kim was 9 months of age sometime in 1951. The neurologist recommended putting Kim in an institution, American Fork, and forgetting about him.
 

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