Kinematics: acceleration on a an incline (LAB)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a lab report focused on determining the acceleration due to gravity (g) by analyzing the motion of a cart on an inclined plane. The original poster reports discrepancies in their calculated value of g, which is significantly higher than the expected 9.8 m/s², and seeks assistance in identifying potential errors in their calculations and methodology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration and the angle of the incline, questioning the method used to determine theta. There are considerations about whether the correct distances were measured and how these affect the calculations of g. Some participants suggest averaging multiple height measurements for a more accurate theta.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and assumptions. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the initial graphing of distance and time, and the original poster has indicated they may have identified their mistake. However, the conversation continues to explore the implications of these calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's calculations may have been affected by measurement errors related to height and timing, and there is mention of a second part of the lab where initial velocity is not zero, which could further complicate the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys, I'm having a problem with my lab report write-up. The purpose of the lab is to find the value of g which should be around 9.8 m/s^2. This was found by releasing a cart from rest on an inclined plane and measuring the time it took to travel across a certain distance. I got the acceleration on the plane but my g is much higher than 9.8 which I believe is due to not correctly calculating the angle from the heights.

Homework Equations


d = 1/2*a*t^2
a = gsin(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have plotted d vs t^2 and got a value of 3.2 m/s^2.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/graph1p.jpg/

using d = 1/2*a*t^2
a = 2 (3.2 m/s^2)
a = 6.4 m/s^2

here is where I'm having the problem. We were told to take measurements of the height from where it started to where we stopped timing.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/graph2e.jpg/

Using this I got:

Sin(theta) = 13.04-9.2/69.47 = 0.055

using a = gsin(theta)
g = 6.4 m/s^2 / 0.055
g = 115 m/s^s

As you can see my g is way off from the theoretical value. I maybe doing something wrong. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time out to read it =)
 
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Right. Your answer for 'a' seems OK (as long as d represents the distance it went along the slope, right?)

And you've got the equation a=gsin(theta) so you also need the value of theta. I'm confused how you calculated theta. On the diagram, it looks like you measured the horizontal distance, but in the equation you seem to be using the vertical distance. If you used the horizontal distance, this would give you cos(theta), so this would affect the answer.

Also, your answer for g is 11.5 m/s^2 And this isn't drastically far from the true answer. Maybe you could use several heights to calculate an average for theta. This might get a better answer.
 
BruceW said:
Right. Your answer for 'a' seems OK (as long as d represents the distance it went along the slope, right?)

And you've got the equation a=gsin(theta) so you also need the value of theta. I'm confused how you calculated theta. On the diagram, it looks like you measured the horizontal distance, but in the equation you seem to be using the vertical distance. If you used the horizontal distance, this would give you cos(theta), so this would affect the answer.

Also, your answer for g is 11.5 m/s^2 And this isn't drastically far from the true answer. Maybe you could use several heights to calculate an average for theta. This might get a better answer.

Hey thanks for the reply! The problem is actually that my answer is 115 METERS per second which is why I was saying it was way off the original number. It looks like there is a decimal error but I converted cm to meters correctly.

For the theta (in the diagram) the 69.47 cm is the hypotenuse so the distance traveled by the cart and difference of the 2 heights is the vertical distance.

Sin = opposite/hypotenuse = 13.04-9.2/69.47 = 0.055 is how I got the angle.

I was wondering if my "a" is too big because it didn't seem like it was traveling that fast
 
Was the time displayed in seconds?
 
grzz said:
Was the time displayed in seconds?

yes it was. There is a second part to the lab where the inital velocity is not equal to 0. I used the same angle of 0.055 and found the value of g as 9.45 m/s^2. So now I don't believe the angle is wrong but there might be an error with the length or timing
 
I figured out my mistake, I switched the distance and time on the first graph.

Thank you all for your help I really appreciate it !
 
ha, no worries. Looks like you figured it out yourself in the end!
 

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