Kinematics/speed of sound question

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A stone dropped in a well produces a splash heard 3 seconds later, prompting a calculation of the well's depth using kinematic equations and the speed of sound at 343 m/s. The initial attempt involved setting up equations for the time taken by the stone and the sound wave, leading to a quadratic equation. The error occurred when squaring both sides of the equation, as the identity (a + b)² ≠ a² + b² was misapplied. Suggestions included isolating the square root before squaring or using a substitution method to avoid squaring altogether. The correct depth of the well is ultimately determined to be approximately 40.7 meters.
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Homework Statement


A stone is dropped in a well. The splash is heard 3s later. What is the depth of the well?

Homework Equations


constant acceleration equations
take speed of sound to be 343 m/s.

The Attempt at a Solution


For the stone:
u = 0
a = g
s = ut + 0.5at^2

subbing it all in you get t_stone = +sqrt(2s/g)

For the sound wave:
u = v = 343 m/s
v = s/t
subbing it all in you get
t_wave = s/343

(same distance traveled for stone and wave = s)

so you have t_stone + t_wave = 3

therefore
+sqrt(2s/g) + s/343 = 3
squaring both sides and moving over the constant
(s^2/343^2) + 2s/g - 9 = 0

solving this quadratic I get s = 44.02m or -24054m

The answer is 40.7m. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Check the step where you squared both sides of the equation. Note (a + b)2 ≠ a2 + b2 in general.

It might be good to isolate the square root on one side of the equation before squaring the equation.
 
TSny said:
Check the step where you squared both sides of the equation. Note (a + b)2 ≠ a2 + b2 in general.

It might be good to isolate the square root on one side of the equation before squaring the equation.

Oops. Nice spot. Thanks for the help!
 
OK. Another approach would be to let ##x = \sqrt{s}## and write your equation sqrt(2s/g) + s/343 = 3 as a quadratic equation in terms of ##x##. You will then not have to square the equation. Solve for ##x## and then find ##s##.
 
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