Kinetic energy and friction force?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving kinetic energy and friction force related to a car's motion. The original poster presents a scenario where a car with a specified weight moves at a certain speed, and seeks to calculate its kinetic energy and the friction force needed to stop it over a defined distance.

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  • Participants explore various equations related to motion, including those connecting velocity, acceleration, and distance. There is a focus on the relationship between kinetic energy and work done by friction.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the correct approach to finding acceleration and friction force. Some participants suggest using energy conservation principles, while others inquire about alternative methods to arrive at the solution. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific equations, but no consensus has been reached on a final approach.

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Jessica Sweet
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Please help! I have a test tomorrow.

1. Homework Statement

A car with a weight of 15,000 N moves horizontally at 30 m/s.
a) What is the car's KE?
b) What will be the magnitude friction force to stop the car over a 60m distance?

Homework Equations


F=ma
KE=1/2*m*v2

The Attempt at a Solution


a) mass of car = 1531 kg
KE = 1/2(1531)(30)2 = 690,000 J

b) This is where I hit trouble.
I found acceleration by (0-30)/2 = -15 m/s2
Then I used F=ma, so Ff = (1531)(-15) = -22,965 N
Not the correct answer...
 
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What equation will you use that relates velocity, acceleration, and distance, to allow you to correctly calculate the acceleration (i.e., deceleration)?
 
Oh okay! I totally forgot about that equation.
v2 = vi2 + 2a(delta x)
That'll give me acceleration, and then I use F=ma, right?
 
Sounds right. :cool:
 
I'm just curious, is there a way to find that without needing that equation??
 
Jessica Sweet said:
I'm just curious, is there a way to find that without needing that equation??
You could use energy conservation. The car starts out with a certain KE (which you calculated), and that energy will be lost to friction acting over the given stopping distance.
 
Could someone demonstrate this? Because I'm a little lost.
 
Jessica Sweet said:
Could someone demonstrate this? Because I'm a little lost.
What is the work done by a force F acting over a distance d?
 
I'm thinking of W = Fdcosθ
 
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Jessica Sweet said:
I'm thinking of W = Fdcosθ
Sure. Here θ is 180° since the force is acting against the direction of travel. So you can write

W = -Fd

So the friction force will be "stealing" energy from the car as it moves.

Now, the car starts out with a store of KE. This will be lost to friction according to the work done by that friction force. Write an equation that equates the starting KE to the energy lost to friction over distance d.
 

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