Kinetic Energy and Newton Forces - distance/speed

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The problem involves a sled of mass m that is given an initial speed on a frozen pond and is subject to kinetic friction. The objective is to determine the distance the sled travels before coming to a stop, using energy considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the work done by friction and the sled's kinetic energy. Questions arise regarding the role of the initial applied force and whether it should be included in the work calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the concepts of work and energy, particularly how the work done by friction relates to the sled's kinetic energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the applied force and its relevance to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the forces acting on the sled and the definitions of work in this context. The problem constraints include the coefficient of kinetic friction and the initial speed provided by the kick.

Lori

Homework Statement



A sled of mass m is given a kick on a frozen pond. The kick imparts to it an initial speed of 2.20 m/s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between sled and ice is 0.150. Use energy considerations to find the distance the sled moves before it stops

Homework Equations


Friction Force = Friction coefficient * Normal Force
Normal Force = mass * g
W = KE = 1/2mv^2
W=fd

The Attempt at a Solution



So, I understand that force of friction is equal to mg*Friction coefficient (given that N=mg)

But, why is mgu=.5mv^2 (final Kinetic )

Shouldn't it be that the work is work done by applied force minus work done by Friction?

Why only look at friction work?
 
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Lori said:
Shouldn't it be that the work is work done by applied force minus work done by Friction?
The work done by the applied force -- the kick -- is what gave the sled its initial velocity. It doesn't act beyond that. (The kick is just for an instant.)
 
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Doc Al said:
The work done by the applied force -- the kick -- is what gave the sled its initial velocity. It doesn't act beyond that. (The kick is just for an instant.)
Oh ok, so all the work net is coming from the friction force which is equal to coefficient friction * mass *gravity * distance. And, since work net is equal to total kinetic energy which is just .5mv^2, we set those equal to each other.
 
Lori said:
Oh ok, so all the work net is coming from the friction force which is equal to coefficient friction * mass *gravity * distance. And, since work net is equal to total kinetic energy which is just .5mv^2, we set those equal to each other.
Right. Another way to word it: The net work done equals the change in KE. (Both the work done by friction and the change in KE are negative.)
 
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