Kinetic energy of a sled question

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The problem involves a sled of mass m coasting on a frozen river, which is impacted by a package of equal mass m dropped onto it. The discussion centers on how the kinetic energy of the sled and package system compares to the original kinetic energy of the sled alone.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and its implications for the velocity of the sled and load after the impact. There are attempts to relate kinetic energy before and after the event, with some questioning the initial assumptions about velocities and energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using conservation of momentum to find the velocity after the impact. There is a recognition of the need to compare kinetic energies before and after the event, with various interpretations being explored without explicit consensus.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for solving the problem completely. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between momentum and kinetic energy in this context.

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Homework Statement


A sled of mass m is coasting on the icy surface of a frozen river. While it is passing under a bridge, a package of equal mass m is dropped straight down and lands on the sled (without causing any damage). The sled plus the added load then continue along the original line of motion. How does the kinetic energy of the (sled + load) compare with the original kinetic energy of the sled? A) It is 1/4 the original kinetic energy of the sled. B) It is 1/2 the original kinetic energy of the sled. C) It is 3/4 the original kinetic energy of the sled. D) It is the same as the original kinetic energy of the sled. E) It is twice the original kinetic energy of the sled.

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The Attempt at a Solution


kinetic energy intial = 1/2mv^2
kinetic energy after = 1/2(2m)v^2 = mv^2

comparing the kinetic energy before and after, i get the after is twice the original kinetic energy of the sled but apparently this is wrong
 
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You forgot to conserve momentum.
 
You will need to use conservation of linear momentum to calculate the velocity of the sled+load after the impact as your attempt shows them traveling at the same velocity.

If before the impact, the sled has momentum mu and after it travels with the velocity 'v' and the load is initially at rest, then using conservation of linear momentum what is v in terms of u?
 
ah okay i think i got it
m1v1o + m2v2o = (m1+m2)vf
where m1 is the sled, and m2 a mass that is equal to the sled
m1v1o = (m1+m2)vf
m1v1o = 2mvf
m1v1o/2m = vf
v1o/2 = vf

original ke = 1/2mv^2
KE of sled + load = 1/2(2m)(v1o/2)^2
ke of sled + load = 1/2(2m)(v^2/4 = 1/4mv^2, which is 1/2 the original kinetic energy of the sled
 
Well done.

It's easier to check your answers if you get formal with the working.
for instance, if I write:

before:
momentum: ##p_i=mu##
kinetic energy: ##K_i=\frac{1}{2}mu^2##

after:
momentum: ##p_f=2mv##
kinetic energy: ##K_f = mv^2##

conservation of momentum:
##p_f=p_i\implies 2mv=mu \implies v=u/2\\ \qquad \implies K_f=\frac{1}{4}mu^2##

Comparing KE "after" with KE "before":
$$\frac{K_f}{K_i}=\frac{\frac{1}{4}mu^2}{\frac{1}{2}mu^2}=\frac{1}{2} \\ \qquad\implies K_f=\frac{1}{2}K_i$$

You can see all the steps and most of the reasoning.
Good for long answers or when you are practicing (or writing questions here ;) ) - but probably more work than you'd like for a simple multi-choice.

Still... no worries aye?
 

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