Kinetic Energy of rod with lower end in contact with smooth surface

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the kinetic energy of a rigid rod with an initial angle above a smooth horizontal surface. The two generalized coordinates are the horizontal position of the center of the rod and the angle between the rod and the vertical. The attempt at a solution involves using the Lagrangian to find the KE, but it is not clear if it is correct. Further discussion includes considerations of the rod's motion and constraints, and a suggested method of finding the KE using the coordinates of the center of mass and other points on the rod.
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Homework Statement


I've got a rigid rod, length [itex]2a[/itex], held at an angle [itex]\alpha[/itex] above a smooth horizontal surface. Its end is in contact with the ground. My two generalized coordinates are [itex]x[/itex], the horizontal position of the center of the rod and [itex]\theta[/itex] the angle between the rod and the vertical.

I'm trying to find the kinetic energy of the rod. I'm not sure if I'm doing it right.


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The Attempt at a Solution


As of now, this is what I've done:
[tex]KE = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2}I\dot{\theta}^2 = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 + \frac{1}{2}(\frac{1}{3}m(2a)^2)\dot{\theta}^2 = \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 + \frac{2}{3}ma^2\dot{\theta}^2[/tex]

Something doesn't seem right though, because I think that [itex]\dot{x}[/itex] should be zero. Carrying out the Lagrangian doesn't seem to show this.
 
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[tex] \alpha [/tex] is the azimuthal angle? Is the rod held to a point in ground? If not, the speed of it's center of mass won't be zero.
Also, I don't think you've got the formula right. K.E can be broken into a translational and a rotational term when you take the rotation about the center of mass. In this case the rotation is about a point in the ground. Perhaps you could use x and z?
 
  • #3
All motion takes place in the vertical plane. Alpha is just the angle the rod is at when it's initially released. The end of the rod is touching, but NOT attached, to the ground.


I specified the KE of the rod by the translational motion in the x direction and by the rotational motion about the point touching the ground (even though it is slipping backwards). I'm almost certain this is incorrect but I couldn't come up with much better.
 
  • #4
Ok, so there's no force here along the horizontal. The 2 forces, gravity and normal are both along the vertical. Consequently we should not have any motion along the horizontal. So we can use just one gen coordinate - the angle. Then we can rate of change of the angle ([tex] \dot(\theta) [/tex] ) . Then the speed of any infinitesimal portion at a distance r from the point of contact is just [tex]r \dot(\theta) [/tex] . So you can integrate along the length and find the KE.
 
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The point of the problem is to use [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]\dot{x}[/itex] with the lagrangian and prove that the CM stays in place
 
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Oh. To know that you don't actually need to know the KE : the potential term is mgy and the constraint condition [tex] \dot z [/tex] =0. None of which contains x, ergo [tex] \dot x = 0 [/tex] .

I think the KE may be found this way: Let x, y be the co-ordinates of the CM. Then [tex] y= a\sin\theta [/tex] ( This is using the condition that the end keeps touching the ground)Then the co-ordinates of any other point on the rod :
[tex] (X,Y) = ( x - r\cos\theta , a\sin\theta - r\cos\theta) [/tex] . Now you can take derivative, square and integrate along r (from -a to a) to find the KE.
 

Related to Kinetic Energy of rod with lower end in contact with smooth surface

1. What is kinetic energy and how is it related to the motion of a rod?

Kinetic energy is the energy an object possesses due to its motion. In the case of a rod with one end in contact with a smooth surface, the kinetic energy is a result of the rod's movement and the friction between the rod and the surface.

2. How is the kinetic energy of a rod with lower end in contact with a smooth surface calculated?

The kinetic energy of a rod can be calculated using the formula: KE = 1/2 * m * v^2, where m is the mass of the rod and v is the velocity at which the rod is moving.

3. What factors affect the kinetic energy of a rod in this scenario?

The kinetic energy of the rod is affected by its mass, velocity, and the coefficient of friction between the rod and the smooth surface. The higher the mass and velocity, the greater the kinetic energy. The lower the coefficient of friction, the less energy is lost due to friction.

4. How does the kinetic energy of the rod change as it moves on the smooth surface?

The kinetic energy of the rod remains constant as long as there is no external force acting on it. However, some of this energy may be converted into other forms, such as heat, due to friction between the rod and the surface.

5. Can the kinetic energy of the rod be increased by changing the surface it is in contact with?

Yes, the kinetic energy of the rod can be increased by changing the surface it is in contact with. A smoother surface with a lower coefficient of friction will result in less energy being lost due to friction, thus increasing the kinetic energy of the rod.

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