Kinetic energy transformed in a collision involving coalescing particles

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The discussion revolves around a collision problem involving two particles, where one particle collides with a stationary particle and they coalesce. Participants are exploring the transformation of kinetic energy during this process and questioning how energy is dissipated or conserved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between momentum and energy in the context of the collision. Questions include how to determine the final velocity after coalescence and what forms of energy the kinetic energy is transformed into.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing equations related to momentum conservation and expressing confusion about the energy transformation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the kinetic energy lost in the collision, but clarity on the overall question remains a point of exploration.

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There is uncertainty regarding the final velocity of the coalesced particles and how to quantify the energy lost during the collision. Participants are also navigating language barriers in expressing their understanding.

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Homework Statement
A particle of mass m has kinetic energy E when it collides with a stationary particle of mass M . The two particles coalesce.
Which of the following expressions gives the total kinetic energy transferred to other forms of energy in the collision?
Relevant Equations
Kinetic energy
Energy conservation
This problem got me kinda confused since I cannot really understand the question... who tells me how the energy dissipated in this case? Has it all transformed into heat to cause the coalesce of the two particles, or ar the two particles now merged together still traveling with a certain amount of kinetic energy?
 
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greg_rack said:
Homework Statement:: A particle of mass m has kinetic energy E when it collides with a stationary particle of mass M . The two particles coalesce.
Which of the following expressions gives the total kinetic energy transferred to other forms of energy in the collision?
Relevant Equations:: Kinetic energy
Energy conservation

This problem got me kinda confused since I cannot really understand the question... who tells me how the energy dissipated in this case? Has it all transformed into heat to cause the coalesce of the two particles, or ar the two particles now merged together still traveling with a certain amount of kinetic energy?
Momentum is conserved. Does that help?
 
PeroK said:
Momentum is conserved. Does that help?
Right, but I'm still stuck... don't I need a final velocity? And how does momentum relates to energy?
 
greg_rack said:
Right, but I'm still stuck... don't I need a final velocity? And how does momentum relates to energy?
What does the momentum conservation equation tell you?
 
PeroK said:
What does the momentum conservation equation tell you?
m1iv1i+m2iv2i=m1fv1f+m2fv2f
In that case, since the two coalesce, there will be only one final velocity
 
greg_rack said:
m1iv1i+m2iv2i=m1fv1f+m2fv2f
Okay, but the point of that equation isn't to quote it. It's to apply that equation to each specific problem.
 
PeroK said:
Okay, but the point of that equation isn't to quote it. It's to apply that equation to each specific problem.
In this case: mv1initial=vfinal(M+m)
And how does this relate to the "total kinetic energy transferred to other forms of energy in the collision"?
 
greg_rack said:
In this case: mv1initial=vfinal(M+m)
And how does this relate to the "total kinetic energy transferred to other forms of energy in the collision"?
Does that not give you the final velocity you were asking for?
 
greg_rack said:
Now the point is: what are we looking for? That's not clear to me, since how could we know in which other forms was the energy transformed? I don't know if you got what point I'm missing... its difficult to express some concepts in English :)
All they want is the kinetic energy that is lost: ##KE_i - KE_f##.
 
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PeroK said:
All they want is the kinetic energy that is lost: ##KE_i - KE_f##.
Finally got it! So:
½mv12-½(M+m)((mv1)2/(M+m)2)

EDIT: and it works... thank you, I'm crying! 😂
 

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