Kinetic/Thermal Energy Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving kinetic and thermal energy related to a volcanic rock thrown vertically upward. Participants explore the initial kinetic energy, the thermal energy increase due to air friction during ascent, and the speed of the rock upon return to its initial position.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of initial kinetic energy using the formula 1/2 M * V^2 and question if this approach is too simplistic. They also explore how to determine the change in thermal energy during ascent and the implications of kinetic friction in this context.

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There is ongoing exploration of energy conservation principles, with participants attempting to relate kinetic and potential energy at different points in the rock's trajectory. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between potential energy at the highest point and kinetic energy at the initial position, along with considerations of thermal energy.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about energy loss due to air friction and the applicability of kinetic friction models in this scenario. There is a focus on verifying calculations and understanding energy transformations throughout the rock's motion.

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In a volcanic eruption, a 2.0 kg piece of porous volcanic rock is thrown vertically upward with an initial speed of 45 m/s. It travels upward a distance of 45 m before it begins to fall back to the Earth.
(a) What is the initial kinetic energy of the rock?

(b) What is the increase in thermal energy due to air friction during ascent?

(c) If the increase in thermal energy due to air friction on the way down is 70% of that on the way up, what is the speed of the rock when it returns to its initial position?

Relevant Equations:
K = 1/2 M * V^2
External Work = Change in Mechanical Energy + Change in Thermal Energy
Change in Thermal Energy = Friction Force * Displacement


Is the answer for part A just
1/2 M * V^2?
It seems a little bit too easy.

For Part B-
Is to find the change in thermal energy during its ascent
Change in Thermal Energy = Friction Force * Displacement
Friction Force = Uk * Normal Force
How would I find Uk or Normal Force?

Any help would be grateful.
 
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maniacp08 said:
Is the answer for part A just
1/2 M * V^2?
It seems a little bit too easy.
They can't all be hard.

For Part B-
Is to find the change in thermal energy during its ascent
Change in Thermal Energy = Friction Force * Displacement
Friction Force = Uk * Normal Force
How would I find Uk or Normal Force?
Kinetic friction is a model that applies to dry solids rubbing against each other; it doesn't apply here. Luckily, you don't need it. Consider the total mechanical energy the rock had to start with (part A) and compare it to what's left when it reaches its highest point.
 
If I let y=0 when the rock is launched

Ki + Ui = Kf + Uf?

The initial Kinetic energy is 1/2 * M * Vi^2
The initial Potential Energy is 0

Is the Final Kinetic Energy where it reaches its highest point 0 since the final velocity will be 0 at its highest point
The final potential energy is MGH where H is 45m

So I have
1/2 M * Vi^2 = MGH

What am I suppose to solve/find out?
 
maniacp08 said:
So I have
1/2 M * Vi^2 = MGH

What am I suppose to solve/find out?

Nothing, you have everything. Did you check if it's true? I mean, are the two sides equal?
I don't think so. Why?
 
Ahh, I got it, the difference is 1142.1 J.
Thanks!

For Part C:
(c) If the increase in thermal energy due to air friction on the way down is 70% of that on the way up, what is the speed of the rock when it returns to its initial position?

70% of 1142.1J = 799.47J

Would it be
Ki + Ui = Kf + Uf From the highest point to the initial position?
0 + MGH = 1/2 M * Vf^2 + 0
MGH = 1/2 M * Vf^2

MGH + 799.47 = 1/2 M * Vf^2

and solve for Vf?
 
Almost, but you're getting a bit mixed up. Think of the energy this way:

What you start with (PE at the top) = KE at the bottom (1/2MVf^2) + Thermal energy (which you've just calculated)

Rearrange that and solve for Vf.
 
Thanks Doc!
 

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