Kirchoff's Laws: Solving Simultaneous Equations for Circuit Analysis

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The discussion revolves around applying Kirchhoff's Laws to analyze a circuit and solve for the current in a specific resistor. Participants are examining the setup of simultaneous equations derived from the circuit's node and loop rules.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of equations based on Kirchhoff's Laws, questioning the appropriateness of combining voltages across different components. There is confusion regarding the application of Ohm's Law and the interpretation of potential differences in the circuit.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the equations presented, particularly regarding the signs of voltage sources and the interpretation of potential differences. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of circuit laws, but no consensus has been reached on the specific values or methods.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are indications of uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the circuit components and their interactions.

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[SOLVED] Kirchoff's Laws

Homework Statement


A link to the problem statement is provided here: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5305/kirchoffry1.png
(with one modification: the question should read find the current in the .75 ohm resistor)

Homework Equations


Ohm's Law: R=delta(V)/I
loop rule: sum(changes in potentials) = 0 (for closed loop)
junction rule: because of conservation of charge, the currents follow such that:
I_1 + I_2 = I_3


The Attempt at a Solution


I am supposed to solve a set of simultaneous linear equations. The first one is simply the node equation
I_1+I_2=I_3.
Then by looking at the top loop, I have:
2.25 - (I_2)*(3) - (I_3) * (4.2) = 0
The next part is what I am somewhat confused about.
I can either make one of two loops for the final equations: the bottom one with the middle wire included, or the top and bottom one as a whole.
For just the bottom loop, I get:
4.75 - (I_1)*(.75) + 1 - (I_1)*(1.2) + (I_2)*(3) +2.25 = 0
I am not sure if this is right because I don't know if it is appropriate to add the voltages 1 and 4.75 when they have the resistor between them. Perhaps I am supposed to use their potential difference? But then in that case, the .75 ohms would be internal resistance and I don't have any emf. And, I think it is probably incorrect to assume that the current going through the 1.2 ohm resistor is the same as I_1.
For the whole loop (the biggest one which does not include the middle wire), I get:
4.75 - (I_1)*(.75) + 1 - (I_1)*(1.2) - (I_3)*(4.2) = 0
When I solve this simultaneously with the first two equations, I get a different answer from when I solve the first three simultaneously.
 
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EDIT: sorry for double posting, but maybe I should rephrase my question since nobody has offered any assistance.

Why doesn't Ohm's Law work? The potential difference is (4.74-1) V or 3.75 V, applying Ohm's Law, delta(V)/R= I, so 3.75/.75 = 5 A but that is incorrect. Why?
 
Knissp said:
4.75 - (I_1)*(.75) + 1 - (I_1)*(1.2) + (I_2)*(3) +2.25 = 0

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You have the sign of the 2.25 V voltage source wrong.
 
Knissp said:
EDIT: sorry for double posting, but maybe I should rephrase my question since nobody has offered any assistance.

Why doesn't Ohm's Law work? The potential difference is (4.74-1) V or 3.75 V, applying Ohm's Law, delta(V)/R= I, so 3.75/.75 = 5 A but that is incorrect. Why?

Because your potential difference across the 0.75 ohm resistance is wrong. I can see no reason why it would have that value.
 

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