Klein-Gordon equation and continuity equation

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The discussion revolves around the Klein-Gordon (K-G) equation and its relationship to the continuity equation, particularly focusing on the expression for probability density and the implications of complex wavefunctions. Participants explore the nature of the wavefunction and its solutions, as well as the conditions under which the probability density is considered real.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the factor of i in the probability density expression ensures that it is real, suggesting that the quantity inside the brackets could be real, complex, or purely imaginary.
  • Another participant asserts that the quantity inside the brackets can be shown to be pure imaginary by expressing the wavefunction as a sum of real and imaginary parts, leading to the cancellation of real parts.
  • A participant notes that a real K-G field corresponds to an uncharged particle, resulting in a probability density of zero.
  • In the case of charged fields, the probability density is linked to the Noether charge, and its conservation is derived from the K-G equation.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of solutions to the Schrödinger equation, with one participant asserting that it does not have purely real solutions due to its complex coefficients.
  • Another participant agrees that the K-G equation can have real solutions, contrasting it with the Schrödinger equation.
  • One participant concludes that when the wavefunction is real, the probability current density is zero, leading to a probability density of zero in that case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of wavefunction solutions, particularly regarding the K-G and Schrödinger equations. While some agree on the implications of real wavefunctions leading to zero probability density, there is no consensus on the broader implications of the factor of i in the probability density expression.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of wavefunctions and their solutions, as well as the implications of charge and conservation laws in the context of the K-G equation. There are unresolved questions regarding the generality of the statements made about the nature of solutions.

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I am using the textbook "Modern Particle Physics" by Thomson. Working from the K-G equation and comparing with the continuity equation he states that the probability density is given by

ρ = i ( ψ*(∂ψ/∂t) - ψ(∂ψ*/∂t) )

He then states that the factor of i is included to ensure that the probability density is real. My question is - why does the factor of i make this real. This implies the quantity inside the bracket is pure imaginary. Why is that true ? ψ could be real , complex or pure imaginary. It is just a general wavefunction
Thanks
 
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dyn said:
This implies the quantity inside the bracket is pure imaginary.
Yes. You can verify this easily by writing ##\psi = \psi_R + i \psi_I##, where ##\psi_R## and ##\psi_I## are real, and computing the quantity inside the bracket. You should find that all of the real parts cancel.

dyn said:
ψ could be real , complex or pure imaginary.
Yes, but the combination of terms inside the bracket is not ##\psi## and, as above, can be shown to be pure imaginary for a general ##\psi##.
 
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Thank you very much for your help
 
A real KG field describes an uncharged particle, and thus for this case ##\rho=0##.

In the case of charged fields, ##\rho## is the time-component of the Noether charge from invariance under ##\psi \rightarrow \exp(-\mathrm{i} \alpha) \psi, \quad \psi^* \rightarrow \exp(+\mathrm{i} \alpha) \psi^*##,
$$j_{\mu} = \mathrm{i} (\psi^* \partial_{\mu} \psi - \psi \partial_{\mu} \psi^*).$$
That's a real vector field, which is immediately clear when taking the complex conjugate of this definition.

That it's conserved follows from the (free) KG equation,
$$\partial_{\mu} j^{\mu} = \mathrm{i} (\psi^* \Box \psi-\psi \Box \psi^*) = -\mathrm{i} m^2 (\psi^* \psi-\psi \psi^*)=0.$$
 
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dyn said:
ψ could be real
Could it be purely real? I don't think Schrödinger equation has purely real solutions.
 
Sure, the KG equation is
$$(\Box+m^2) \psi=0$$
and thus has real solutions.

The time-dependent Schrödinger equation has a complex coefficient and thus has no real solutions.
 
vanhees71 said:
Sure, the KG equation is
$$(\Box+m^2) \psi=0$$
and thus has real solutions.

The time-dependent Schrödinger equation has a complex coefficient and thus has no real solutions.
Ah, I see. So, when ##\psi## is real, then ##j_{\mu} = \mathrm{i} (\psi^* \partial_{\mu} \psi - \psi \partial_{\mu} \psi^*) = 0## and, in the OP, ##\rho=0##.
 
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