Kn value of a specific transistor given spec sheet

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the K,n value of the 2n7000 transistor using its specification sheet. Participants explore the necessary parameters and methods for calculating K,n, including the use of V,gs and I,d values, as well as the threshold voltage V,tn.

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  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find the K,n value using the formula I,d = K,n * (V,gs - V,tn)^2, but is uncertain about the appropriate V,tn value to use.
  • Another participant mentions that V,tn is a thermal voltage, approximately 26 mV at room temperature, but this is later clarified as V,t.
  • A different participant states that K,n is in units of mA/V, while another suggests that it should be A/V².
  • One participant recommends looking up a SPICE model for the transistor to find the necessary parameters.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding the relevant properties in the SPICE model editor for the 2n7000 transistor.
  • A participant provides a snippet of a SPICE model for the 2n7000, including specific parameters like VTO and KP.
  • One participant indicates a lack of familiarity with LTSpice and mentions that it is not installed on their school's computers, seeking guidance on how to input the characteristics into a regular N-type MOSFET model.
  • The same participant later notes the need to use the PSpice model editor to enter the values for the 2n7000.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct units for K,n and the appropriate method for obtaining the necessary parameters. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate K,n and the specific values to use.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the clarity of definitions for V,tn and K,n, as well as the participants' varying familiarity with SPICE software and models. The discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding these parameters.

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Hi,
Working on a project, I am told to find the K,n value of a specific transistor (2n7000), given the spec. sheet. I know K,n can be found from the formula:

I,d = K,n * (V,gs - V,tn)^2

I'm close, from the spec sheet, I can use a V,gs value and a corresponding I,d value, however not sure what value to use for V,tn to complete the equation and solve for K,n. Any help?

Thanks for your time
 
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That's a thermal voltage that depends on temperature. It's approximately 26 mV at room temperature.
 
That is V,t which is 26mV like you said but what I am looking for is K,n which is in units if mA/V
I believe
 
Look up a spice model for the transistor. It should be there. And the units should be A/V^2
 
Thanks, tried this - I placed the 2n7000 in the circuit and clicked "Edit Properties" on it but I can't find ANYTHING in the property editor

Any help is appreciated
 
Simple google results:

Code:
*ZETEX  2N7000  Spice Mosfet Subcircuit  Nodes D G S  Last revision 11/91
*ZETEX  60V 200mA pkg:TO-92
.SUBCKT X2N7000 3 4 5
M1 3 2 5 5 MOD1 L=1 W=1
RG 4 2 343
RL 3 5 6E6
D1 5 3 DIODE1
.MODEL MOD1 NMOS VTO=2.474 RS=1.68 RD=0.0 IS=1E-15 KP=0.296
+CGSO=23.5P CGDO=4.5P CBD=53.5P PB=1 LAMBDA=267E-6
.MODEL DIODE1 D IS=1.254E-13 N=1.0207 RS=0.222
.ENDS X2N7000


If you are using LTSpice, go to the LTSpice directory and find folder lib/cmp and look under mosfets.
 
Thanks. I have no idea what LTspice is, but doesn't look like it's installed on my school's computers. Part of the assignment is to enter these characteristics (K,n V,t W, L etc ) into one of the regular Mosfet Ntype transistor models so it acts as a 2n7000, rather than using the 2n7000 model itself... what, is there any chance you could tell me how I would do that? I don't see how to do it at all.
Thanks

EDIT: Seems like I need to use the PSpice model editor, and type in the values of the 2n7000. I'll try and figure the rest out.
Thanks a lot
 
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