Knot Tie-ing: Adjustable loop and knot that gets more secure as its pulled

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for a knot that can create a loop around an infinitely long pole, which tightens as the rope is pulled, with access to only one end of the rope. Participants explore various knot types and their properties in the context of rock climbing and other applications.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the double-figure 8 knot as commonly used in rock climbing, noting its ability to create a loop that tightens in multiple directions.
  • Another participant suggests a knot that involves sandwiching the main line between two other ropes, although they struggle to recall the name or provide a visual demonstration.
  • A participant proposes the bowline knot as a potential solution, referencing its properties.
  • Another participant mentions the taut-line hitch as a possible knot that tightens under tension, contrasting it with the bowline, which does not tighten around the pole.
  • They also mention that with access to both ends of the rope, knots like the prusik or klemheist could be used, which are friction hitches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of various knots for the described scenario. There is no consensus on a single knot that meets all the specified criteria.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific scenarios where the knot would be applied, which may influence the appropriateness of the suggested knots. The discussion includes various assumptions about the properties of knots and their applications.

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I do some rock climbing, and the most common knot you see is the double-figure 8:
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That's because you can tie it at any point in the rope to create a loop for other climbers to latch into. It also gets tighter as you pull from any direction: the loop or either of the two single ropes coming out.

However, I am often faced with a different problem:

Say you have an infinitely long pole that you need to tie a rope around. You have to make a loop that will grip the pole tighter as the rope is pulled. You have access to one end of the rope, not both. You also need a knot that has this property of getting tighter as the rope is pulled.

Is there any such knot that fits this description?
 
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KingNothing said:
I do some rock climbing, and the most common knot you see is the double-figure 8:
BunnyEar1l.JPG


That's because you can tie it at any point in the rope to create a loop for other climbers to latch into. It also gets tighter as you pull from any direction: the loop or either of the two single ropes coming out.

However, I am often faced with a different problem:

Say you have an infinitely long pole that you need to tie a rope around. You have to make a loop that will grip the pole tighter as the rope is pulled. You have access to one end of the rope, not both. You also need a knot that has this property of getting tighter as the rope is pulled.

Is there any such knot that fits this description?

I think I know the knot you are talking about, but I can't draw or remember the name :(

Its basically a situation where you have the main line (rope going to you) sandwiched inbetween two other pieces of rope, and a knot is formed with these two pieces near the pole.

I'd be easy to video conference and show you a crappy demo, but I don't think I can do that. It might be easier if I just told you to ask the guy with the face for some advice ;)
 
KingNothing said:
However, I am often faced with a different problem:

Say you have an infinitely long pole that you need to tie a rope around. You have to make a loop that will grip the pole tighter as the rope is pulled. You have access to one end of the rope, not both. You also need a knot that has this property of getting tighter as the rope is pulled.

Is there any such knot that fits this description?
It might help if you described the actual situation where you'd need such a knot, but I suspect the thing you are looking for may be a taut-line hitch (or adjustable hitch). The bowline is a very secure way to tie into a pole with access to one rope-end, but the loop does not tighten on the pole. With access to both ends of the rope, you could tie a prusik or klemheist or other similar friction hitch.
 

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