Kohn Sham, calculation of electronic density

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of electronic density within the Kohn-Sham scheme of density functional theory (DFT). Participants explore the validity of the formula for electronic density and its relationship to the assumptions of non-interacting systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for electronic density in the Kohn-Sham scheme and questions whether it is merely an ansatz or if there is a justification for its use in calculating the density of the interacting system.
  • Another participant asserts that the Kohn-Sham ansatz allows for the construction of a non-interacting system that yields the same density as the interacting system, suggesting that the formula is correct under this assumption.
  • A third participant references literature that discusses the assumptions and derivations of the Kohn-Sham scheme, emphasizing that the ansatz is based on the existence of an effective potential and the conditions under which a single determinant description is valid.
  • One participant seeks confirmation that the formula for density is a direct consequence of the assumption of non-interacting V-representability, indicating a desire for clarity on this point.
  • Another participant challenges this assertion, suggesting that the relationship is not as straightforward as implied.
  • A later post reiterates the previous question regarding the validity of the formula under the assumption of non-interacting pure-state V-representability, seeking confirmation of this interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the formula for electronic density and the assumptions of the Kohn-Sham scheme. There is no consensus on whether the formula is a direct consequence of non-interacting V-representability, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that there are exceptions to the assumptions of the Kohn-Sham scheme, particularly concerning non-degenerate ground states, which may complicate the application of the formula. The discussion highlights the nuances and limitations of the Kohn-Sham approach without resolving them.

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hi,

in the Kohn-Sham-Scheme one calculates the electronic density as follows:

\rho =2 \sum_{i=1}^{N/2} \phi^*_i \phi_i

where the \phi are the Kohn-Sham orbitals.

This looks like the density of a closed shell slater determinant. But am I correct, that this way of calculating the denisty is nothing more than an ansatz in the Kohn-Sham scheme? Or is there a justification, why the density \rho of the interacting system should be given by the above sum?
 
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The Kohn-Sham ansatz is that it is possible to construct a non-interacting system with the same density as the given interacting system. That way of calculating the density is correct for a non-interacting system, which is the same as the density of the interacting system by assumption.
 
Any DFT book (Parr-Yang for instance) goes into great detail on the assumptions and derivations behind the Kohn-Sham scheme.

But in short, the ansatz is really that you can describe the true ground-state density in terms of a non-interacting "reference system" of electrons, under the influence of an effective potential Vs. If you have Vs, then your single determinant description is fine, as long as the true ground state is "non-interacting pure-state-Vs representable".

A few some non-degenerate ground states exist where this is known not to be the case, but there's not a lot of knowledge on when this becomes important in general. As per the quote I provided in your other thread on KS-DFT, there's a bit of a tendency to attribute errors to the single-determinant description that are actually due to the inaccuracy of the functional.

In general, for a non-degenerate ground state there does exist a set of orbitals ('natural orbitals', by definition) which diagonalize the single-particle density matrix. So that much isn't an approximation.
 
thank you for your answers.

just to be absolutely shure that i got it right.

the way of calculating the density by the formula
\rho =2 \sum_{i=1}^{N/2} \phi^*_i \phi_i
is a direct consequence of the assumption of non-interacting V-representabillty.

Could you please confirm or deny this?
 
No it is not. Try reading http://www.diss.fu-berlin.de/diss/servlets/MCRFileNodeServlet/FUDISS_derivate_000000002262/02_kap2.pdf"
 
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hi alxm,

you said:

alxm said:
If you have Vs, then your single determinant description is fine, as long as the true ground state is "non-interacting pure-state-Vs representable".

In Kohn-Sham-Scheme one assumes "non-interacting pure-state-Vs representabillity", thus the single determinant description is fine, thus the way of calculating the density as \rho =2 \sum_{i=1}^{N/2} \phi^*_i \phi_i is fine. (In this sense my last post (no. 4) should be understand)

Can you confirm this?
 
i repost my question:

Derivator said:
hi alxm,
In Kohn-Sham-Scheme one assumes "non-interacting pure-state-Vs representabillity", thus the single determinant description is fine, thus the way of calculating the density as \rho =2 \sum_{i=1}^{N/2} \phi^*_i \phi_i is fine. (In this sense my last post (no. 4) should be understand)

Can you confirm this?
 

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