##L^2## square integrable function Hilbert space

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The discussion revolves around the properties and characteristics of the ##L^2## space of square integrable functions, particularly its status as a Hilbert space. Participants explore various aspects including the conditions for square integrability, the role of equivalence classes of functions, and implications in quantum mechanics. The conversation also touches on the existence of bases in Hilbert spaces and the relationship between inner products and norms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the ##L^2## space is defined in the context of Lebesgue integrals and that it satisfies the axioms of a vector space.
  • Others note that ##L^2## can also be finite dimensional if the underlying set is finite with the counting measure.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of considering equivalence classes of functions, particularly those differing on sets of measure zero.
  • Participants question the equivalence relation that justifies identifying functions that are equal almost everywhere.
  • Some contributions suggest that the inner product in ##L^2## is positive definite due to this equivalence relation.
  • There is a proposal to explore whether similar definitions of ##L^2## spaces can be established using Riemannian integrals, though one participant argues that this would not yield a complete space.
  • In the context of quantum mechanics, it is suggested that the Hilbert space for a particle without spin is ##L^2## on ##\mathbb{R}^3## with the Borel sigma algebra.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the existence of a basis for the Hilbert space ##L^2##, despite fulfilling the axioms of a Hilbert space.
  • One participant mentions that every Hilbert space has a basis, referencing Zorn's lemma and the construction of maximal sets of orthonormal vectors.
  • There is a clarification that the inner product leads to the norm, which is a defining trait of Hilbert spaces.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of identifying functions that are zero almost everywhere with the zero function to define the norm correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement on various points, particularly regarding the necessity of equivalence classes, the completeness of spaces defined by different integrals, and the existence of bases in Hilbert spaces. The discussion remains unresolved on several aspects, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of integrals and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps regarding the existence of bases and completeness in different contexts.

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About the definition of ##L^2## square integrable functions and the Hilbert vector space dimensionality
Hi,
I'm aware of the ##L^2## space of square integrable functions is an Hilbert space.

I believe the condition to be ##L^2## square-integrable actually refers to the notion of Lebesgue integral, i.e. a measurable space ##(X,\Sigma)## is tacitly understood. Using properties of Lebesgue integral, one can show that the set of square integrable functions on any ##(X,\Sigma)## measurable space actually fulfills the axioms of vector space.

Then one introduce the inner product ##< ,>## that induces a norm and a metric/distance. Next step proves that every Cauchy sequence converges to an element of the vector space itself (i.e. the completeness condition is met).

Therefore ##L^2##-space turns out to be an infinite dimensional Hilbert space.

Is its dimension either countable or uncountable infinity ?
 
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It can aldo be finite dimenssional if the ##X## is a finite set with the counting measure.

Also you need equvalent classes of functions, not just functions.
 
martinbn said:
Also you need equivalent classes of functions, not just functions.
Which is the equivalence relation and why we need to consider equivalent classes w.r.t. it and not just functions themselves?
 
cianfa72 said:
Which is the equivalence relation and why we need to consider equivalent classes w.r.t. it and not just functions themselves?
Functions that differ on a set of measure zero should be identified. For example if a function is non zero on a zero measure set it will have zero norm, but it will not be the identically zero function.
 
martinbn said:
For example if a function is non zero on a zero measure set it will have zero norm, but it will not be the identically zero function.
Ah ok, so leveraging on this equivalence relation such a function on ##(X,\Sigma)## is identified with the zero function on ##X##. This way the inner product ##<,>## turns out to be positive definite and actually induces an (effective) norm.

Edit: similar definition of ##L^2## spaces as Hilbert spaces can be done using Riemannian integral?
 
cianfa72 said:
Ah ok, so leveraging on this equivalence relation such a function on ##(X,\Sigma)## is identified with the zero function on ##X##. This way the inner product ##<,>## turns out to be positive definite and actually induces an (effective) norm.

cianfa72 said:
Edit: similar definition of ##L^2## spaces as Hilbert spaces can be done using Riemannian integral?
No, because you will not have a complete space.
 
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Ok, so in the context of Quantum mechanics, for a particle without spin, I believe one takes the Hilbert space to be ##L^2## on ##(X,\Sigma)##, ##X=\mathbb R^3## and ##\Sigma## the Borel sigma algebra on ##\mathbb R^3## (or perhaps the Lebesgue-measurable sigma-algebra ?).

Then each particle's state ##\vec{\psi}## is an element of the equivalence classes of square-integrable functions on ##(X,\Sigma)## and it can be given "in components" via the wave function ##\psi(x,t)## at any given ##t## (using the inner product with eigenfunctions of position or momentum operator).
 
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Btw, how do we know actually exists a basis for the Hilbert space ##L^2## ?

In other words: we can show the axioms for an Hilbert space are fullfilled, however I'am not sure that it automatically follows that a basis (a system of linearly independent generators) actually exists.
 
cianfa72 said:
Btw, how do we know actually exists a basis for the Hilbert space ##L^2## ?

In other words: we can show the axioms for an Hilbert space are fullfilled, however I'am not sure that it automatically follows that a basis (a system of linearly independent generators) actually exists.
Every Hilbert space has a basis. Consider subsets consisting of orthonormal vectors ordered by inclusion. By Zorn's lemma there are maximal sets. Any of those are bases. If not pick an element from the orthocompliment and add it to the set, you get a bigger one.
 
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martinbn said:
Every Hilbert space has a basis. Consider subsets consisting of orthonormal vectors ordered by inclusion. By Zorn's lemma there are maximal sets. Any of those are bases. If not pick an element from the orthocompliment and add it to the set, you get a bigger one.
Ah ok, the above follows from the fact that Hilbert space is a vector space. Namely as limit case include in the basis all the vector's space elements that happen to be linearly independent.
 
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There's also the fact that the inner product gives rise to its norm, in the sense that ##<f,f>=||f||^2 ##, this is a defining trait of Hilbert Spaces.
 
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There's also the fact that to define a norm ||.|| , we must have ||f||=0 iff f=0. As Martin Bn points out, that's why we identify functions that are 0 a.e. with the 0 function.
 
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