Lab frame symmetric/asymmetric energies

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of B mesons produced from the Y(4S) resonance in a particle collider, specifically examining the implications of symmetric versus asymmetric energies of the colliding particles. The focus is on deriving the travel length and velocity of B mesons in different reference frames, including the lab frame and the rest frame of the Y(4S) resonance.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method to derive the travel length of B mesons when the Y(4S) is at rest in the lab frame, using momentum and velocities derived from symmetric energies.
  • Another participant agrees that B mesons are nearly at rest in the Y(4S) frame and will move with the same velocity in the lab frame, including directionality.
  • A participant questions whether the velocity of B mesons should be boosted only along the z-component when considering the Y(4S) moving in the lab frame.
  • There is a suggestion that the velocity of B mesons could be approximated as zero for simplification, with a specific numerical value provided for the boost in a later reply.
  • Another participant confirms the approximation of the boost for specific experiments, noting the ability to measure the boost of individual B mesons in fully reconstructed decays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of B mesons in the Y(4S) frame and their velocities in the lab frame, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specifics of boosting velocities and the implications of asymmetric energies.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact nature of the velocity components and the assumptions made about the frame of reference, particularly in the context of asymmetric energies.

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I have one question which I need to verify as a thought.
Suppose I have a particle collider for symmetric energies e^\pm, that give as a result the Y(4S) resonance which later decays in B mesons. Then the lab-frame is equivalent to the rest frame of the e^\pm system and the Y(4S) is at rest in the lab. In that case I was able to determine the momentum |p|= \sqrt{\frac{m_Y^2-4m_B^2}{4}} and velocities u=\frac{p}{E} of the B-mesons and derive their travel length d_{lab}=\gamma(u) u c \tau...
If on the other hand the energies of the e^\pm are not equal, say E_+ \ne E_-, then the Y(4S) will not be at rest for the lab but have some velocity \beta relative to it.
If I want to derive the length the B mesons travel before decaying, could I boost the result of the symmetric energies (\beta=0) to the new lab frame (\beta \ne 0) to get the B-mesons "new" speed (boost the d_{lab} by \beta)?
I am not sure about the directions however...since the B meson result can have any kind of velocity orentation at the first case -with only constraint to be in P-wave - (Y(4S) rest frame= lab frame) , while at the second (Y(4S) boosted relative to the lab) the Y(4S) speed is boosted along the beam's direction alone.
 
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Sure.
The B mesons are nearly at rest in the Y(4S) frame, so they will move with the same velocity (this includes the direction!) in the lab frame.
 
mfb said:
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mfb said:
The B mesons are nearly at rest in the Y(4S) frame, so they will move with the same velocity (this includes the direction!) in the lab frame.

when the Y(4S) was at rest they had some velocity u... that velocity would be u=\sqrt{u_x^2+u_y^2+u_z^2}, with u_i any number that does not destroy the kinematics.
Let's say that the beam strikes along the z-axis. Then the velocity of the Y(4S) in our frame would be \beta_z alone.
So u should be boosted only along the z-component?
 
Or do you mean that u\approx 0 (as a number just for completion is u~0.06) and their velocity would be \beta_Y instead?
 
To a good approximation, yes. ##\beta_Y \approx 0.4## for Belle, a bit more for BaBar.

For fully reconstructed decays (of at least one B meson), you can measure the boost of the individual B mesons.
 
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