Ladder leaning on wall, person on ladder.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ladder leaning against a wall with a person on it. The participants are exploring the forces acting on the ladder, including normal and frictional forces, as well as the torque generated by these forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the ladder, including normal forces (Fn1 and Fn2) and frictional forces (Ffr1 and Ffr2). There is an attempt to set up equations based on the sum of forces in the x and y directions. Some participants question the use of torque equations and the correct application of moments at different points.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants attempting to apply torque equations and discussing the implications of their setups. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider angles in torque calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is a specific focus on finding all unknowns related to the forces and moments acting on the ladder.

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http://ronney.usc.edu/AME101/AME101-F14-PS3.pdf

number 1 in the link tyty
 
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Please use the template provided, and also show what you did to try to solve the problem.
 
ohhh my bad
 
uhh how do i get the template now?
 
You can start a new thread in another window and just copy and paste the template over to here.
 
anyways naming the point of where ladder touching the wall 1 and the part where the ladder touches the ground 2 I have
Fn1 will the wall's force on the ladder and Fn2 will be the ground's force on the ladder. Ffr1 is friction of where 1 is and Ffr2 is friction force of where 2 is.

Sum of Fx= Fn1 - Ffr2=0 Fn1=Ffr2
Sum of Fy=Ffr1+Fn2=0=Ffr1+Fn2-150

then I'm not sure what to do.
 
hmm i did try your way but it's not giving me the template anymore
 
ahh found it

Homework Statement


to find all unknowns.
mu2=0.24
distance from person to 1 is 3ft
distance form person to 2 is 7ft
horizontal distance is 4ft
mg of individual is 150lbf

Homework Equations


torque=fd

The Attempt at a Solution


Sum of Fx= Fn1 - Ffr2=0 Fn1=Ffr2
Sum of Fy=Ffr1+Fn2=0=Ffr1+Fn2-150[/B]
 
EDIT: looks like you found it.

I see that your relevant equations has a torque equation in it, and yet you did not attempt to use it in your solution. Why is that?
 
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oh sorry I did try taking moments in both point 1 and point 2 and turned out with nothing.

Taking moment at point 1.
M1=-(3(150))+Fn2(10)

Taking moment at point 2
M2=-(Fn1(10)+(7(150))

Taking moment at where the person is at
M3=-Fn1(3)+Fn2(7)

From there on I'm not sure what to do
 
  • #11
Your moment equations are incorrect because they don't take into account the angle between the force and the radius displacement. The correct equation for torque is ##\vec{\tau}=\vec{r}\times\vec{F}##

Also, at point 1 (and at point 2), there are 2 different forces, the frictional force and the normal force. You have to take both of them into account.
 

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