Lagrangian problem: Ball oscillating in spherical bowl

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The discussion focuses on solving the Lagrangian mechanics problem of a solid sphere oscillating in a spherical bowl. The user attempts to derive the equations of motion using the Lagrangian approach, defining kinetic energy (T) and potential energy (V) correctly. The user identifies the inertia of the solid sphere as \( \frac{2}{5}mr^2 \) and sets up the Lagrangian \( L \) accordingly. However, the user expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their equations of motion and seeks clarification on incorporating constraints related to the spherical geometry and rolling motion.

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Homework Statement


Consider a solid sphere of radius r to be placed at the bottom of a spherical bowl radius R, after the ball is given a push it oscillates about the bottom. By using the Lagrangian approach find the period of oscillation.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Ok so this is as far as i get, not sure if what I am doing is correct:
General coords (∅,x,y)

T = 1/2*m*(xdot2+ydot2) + 1/2*I*∅dot2
T = 1/2*m*xdot2+1/2*m*ydot2+(mr22)/5 (Since Inertia of Solid Sphere is = 2/5*m*r2)
V = mgy

L = 1/2*m*xdot2+1/2*m*ydot2+(mr22)/5 - mgy

∂L/∂∅dot = 2/5*m*r2*∅dot
∂L/∂∅ = 0

∂L/∂xdot = m*xdot
∂L/∂x = 0

∂L/∂ydot = m*ydot
∂L/∂y = -mg

d(2/5*m*r2*∅dot)/dt = 0
d(m*xdot)/dt = 0
d(m*ydot)/dt = -mg

Up to here I am not sure whether I've been doing the right thing, and also, not quite sure how this helps me find the period of oscillation?

EDIT: Sigh, I know my equations of motion are wrong because i should be getting something similar to the DE for an SHO. Could really use some help.
 
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There are some conditions you need to take into account: because bowl is spherical, you have a relation between x- and y-coordinates, and because the ball is rolling, there is a relation between phi dot and x dot and y dot.
 
Ok, but did I use the correct coordinate system? Or should it be phi and theta, and once I have the constraints how do I encorporate them into the equation of motion?
 

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