Laplace transform with 2s(s^2+9) in denominator

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace Transform of the function K(s) = 20/2s(s^2+9). Participants express challenges with the partial fraction decomposition due to the s^2 term in the denominator and seek clarification on how to expand the expression correctly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using partial fraction decomposition to break down the expression, with attempts to equate coefficients to find constants. Some participants suggest alternative methods, such as integration, to find the inverse Laplace Transform.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants providing guidance on how to handle the decomposition and questioning the setup of the problem. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the correct method to proceed, and while some progress has been made, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific forms of functions and constants, indicating a need for clarity on how to handle complex numbers in partial fraction decomposition. There is also a reference to homework constraints that may limit the methods available for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



Hi I would like to know how to expand 20/2s(s^2+9) in order to find the inverse Laplace Transform of the function K(s) to gt k(t). The (s^2+9) term in the denominator is throwing my calculations off for the constants because of the s^2 term.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to use partial fraction decomposition and expanded like so

c1/2 + c2/s + c3/(s^2+9)

from there I multiplied both sides by the common denominator, attempted to distribute and collect like terms to equate coefficients in order to find the proper system of equations to find the constants in order to take the inverse laplace of each term to find k(t) however I don't think I am expanding this problem right in the partial decomp and s^2+9 is not factorable any further. Please help!
 
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Replace c3 with c3s, and lose the first term.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Replace c3 with c3s, and lose the first term.

Chet

Ok, so I expanded it like this

c1/2 + c2/s + (c3(s)+c4)/(s^2+9)

got my system of eqs got my constants

c1=0
c2=-20/7
c3=20/7
c4=0

so


-20/7*(1/s) --> L^-1[ -20/7*(1/s) ] = -20/7*Us(t) from table

but I am a little unsure how to find inverse laplace for the next term


L-1[ 20/7*(s) / (s^2+9) ] where 20/7 is c3 the const found c4 was 0 so its gone.
 
Nevermind we got it. It's simply 20/7(s/s^2+3^2) which is 20/7cos(3t)...do you agree?
 
bmed90 said:

Homework Statement



Hi I would like to know how to expand 20/2s(s^2+9) in order to find the inverse Laplace Transform of the function K(s) to gt k(t). The (s^2+9) term in the denominator is throwing my calculations off for the constants because of the s^2 term.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to use partial fraction decomposition and expanded like so

c1/2 + c2/s + c3/(s^2+9)

from there I multiplied both sides by the common denominator, attempted to distribute and collect like terms to equate coefficients in order to find the proper system of equations to find the constants in order to take the inverse laplace of each term to find k(t) however I don't think I am expanding this problem right in the partial decomp and s^2+9 is not factorable any further. Please help!

You could also do it by integrating, using the well-known fact that if ##g(s)## is the LT of ##f(t)##, then ##g(s)/s## is the LT of ##\int_0^t f(u) \, du##. So, you can get the inverse transform of ##1/(s^2+9)##, then integrate it.
 
Thanks for all the help, let me ask you guys this,

If you had F(s)=1/((s)^2+16)^2 could you expand it like so to find your constants

[ (c1(s)+c2) / ((s)^2+16)] + [(c3(s)+c4) / ((s)^2+16)^2]
 
bmed90 said:
Thanks for all the help, let me ask you guys this,

If you had F(s)=1/((s)^2+16)^2 could you expand it like so to find your constants

[ (c1(s)+c2) / ((s)^2+16)] + [(c3(s)+c4) / ((s)^2+16)^2]

If you restrict yourself to real constants, the function 1/(s^2 + 16)^2 is already in 'partial fraction' form. The only way you can break it down further is to use complex numbers, writing s^2 + 16 = (s+4*i)*(s-4*i), where i = √(-1). You would then get:
\frac{1}{(s^2+16)^2} = \frac{i}{256}\frac{1}{s+4i} -\frac{i}{256}\frac{1}{s-4i}<br /> -\frac{1}{64(s-4i)^2}-\frac{1}{64(s+4i)^2}
 
Ray Vickson said:
If you restrict yourself to real constants, the function 1/(s^2 + 16)^2 is already in 'partial fraction' form. The only way you can break it down further is to use complex numbers, writing s^2 + 16 = (s+4*i)*(s-4*i), where i = √(-1). You would then get:
\frac{1}{(s^2+16)^2} = \frac{i}{256}\frac{1}{s+4i} -\frac{i}{256}\frac{1}{s-4i}<br /> -\frac{1}{64(s-4i)^2}-\frac{1}{64(s+4i)^2}

Thanks for your reply Vickson, but to be honest I have no idea how to understand that as of right now...how would you recommend I tackle this problem to find the inverse laplace to get the function back to the time domain?
 
Does anyone know how to find the constants If you had

F(s)= 1 / ((s)^2+16)^2 ? I need to find the inverse laplace transform of F(s)
 

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