Large Operator for Composite Functions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a new operator for expressing nested summations and other functions in a compressed notation. Participants explore the potential of this operator, denoted as Omega, to simplify complex expressions involving multiple layers of operations, particularly in the context of mathematics and function manipulation.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces a new operator, Omega, designed to handle arbitrary nested summations and similar functions, suggesting it could provide a more compact representation.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative expression involving a product of summations, indicating a different approach to the same problem.
  • A third participant questions the validity of the proposed expressions, suggesting a simpler calculation that appears to challenge the complexity of the original formulations.
  • Several participants discuss the notation and its implications, with one noting that the operator may feel correct despite potential abuses of notation.
  • Corrections are made to earlier claims regarding the mathematical expressions, indicating ongoing refinement of ideas and calculations among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and correctness of the new operator and its applications. There is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of the proposed expressions, with multiple competing ideas presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some expressions and assumptions remain unresolved, particularly regarding the definitions and applications of the new operator. Participants have not fully clarified the conditions under which their proposed notations hold true.

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Sometimes I like to find patterns in certain functions, for example, repeated Sigma (Summation) notation.
But what if I wanted to do an arbitrary number of nested summations? Or something similar with other functions? Is there a compressed way of writing this? For example:

\sum_{k_5=1}^{1} \left (k_5 \sum_{k_4=2}^{4} \left (k_4 \sum_{k_3=4}^{16} \left (k_3 \sum_{k_2=8}^{64} \left (k_2 \sum_{k_1=16}^{256}\left ( k_1f(x) \right ) \right ) \right ) \right ) \right )

I have come up with a large operator for this, very similar to the Sigma notation, but using a pair of extra square brackets and Omega for the operator.

\Omega_{l=1}^{5}\left [ \sum_{k_l=2^{5-l}}^{4^{5-l}} (k_lx) \right ]_x\left ( f(x) \right )

It looks similar to this, but the Omega would be larger and the subscript/superscript parts would be on the bottom/top of the Omega respectively.

This notation means:
  • Whatever is in the round brackets is the base.
  • The subscript pronumeral next to the square brackets denotes what is being replaced inside the square brackets by the base.
  • The function inside the square brackets is executed like any other large operator, then the value of l rises from 1 to 2 and the x in the square brackets is then replaced by what you have now.
  • This is then repeated until you have executed the 5th function.
This could be used with any function, even a single Sigma or Pi large operation or just 1+2!
Keep in mind that this is a sample of what it could do, even though there may be a much simpler way of writing it, but there are heaps of other functions that this may be useful for (compression-wise, at least, or for finding patterns).

\Omega_{l=1}^{n} \left [ f_l(x) \right ]_x \left ( x \right ) = f_n(f_{n-1}(\cdots f_2(f_1(x))\cdots))
Or...
\Omega_{l=1}^{1} \left [ x+2 \right ]_x \left ( 1 \right ) = 3
 
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bjshnog said:
Sometimes I like to find patterns in certain functions, for example, repeated Sigma (Summation) notation.
But what if I wanted to do an arbitrary number of nested summations? Or something similar with other functions? Is there a compressed way of writing this? For example:

\sum_{k_5=1}^{1} \left (k_5 \sum_{k_4=2}^{4} \left (k_4 \sum_{k_3=4}^{16} \left (k_3 \sum_{k_2=8}^{64} \left (k_2 \sum_{k_1=16}^{256}\left ( k_1f(x) \right ) \right ) \right ) \right ) \right )

I have come up with a large operator for this, very similar to the Sigma notation, but using a pair of extra square brackets and Omega for the operator. I will post an image of what I mean.


I looks like your expression is equal to
\prod_{i = 1}^5 \left( \sum_{2^{a_i}}^{2^{4a_i}} k_i \right) f(x)
where a_i is some expression that I don't really feel like thinking about right now.
 
Isn't that just (256-16)*(64-8)*(16-4)*(4-2)? ( oh, and *f(x) for some reason)

EDIT: I mean (1+256-16)*(1+64-8)*(1+16-4)*(1+4-2).
 
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\underset{n}{\underbrace {\int \cdots \int }}\left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right ) dx^n<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i-n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )

This is somewhat abuse of notation, but my Omega operator makes it "feel" correct. This is what it would look like:

\Omega_{l=1}^{n}\left [ \int z\, dx \right ]_z \left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right )<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i-n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )
 
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bjshnog said:
\underset{n}{\underbrace {\int \cdots \int }}\left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right ) dx^n<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i-n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )
\Omega_{l=1}^{n}\left [ \int z\, dx \right ]_z \left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right )<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i-n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )


This is incorrect; made correction:

\underset{n}{\underbrace {\int \cdots \int }}\left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right ) dx^n<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i+n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )

\Omega_{l=1}^{n}\left [ \int z\, dx \right ]_z \left ( \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( a_ix^{b_i} \right ) \right )<br /> <br /> = \sum_{i=1}^{\infty}\left ( \frac{a_ix^{b_i+n}}{\prod_{j=b_i}^{b_i+n-1}\left ( j \right )} \right )<br /> <br /> + \sum_{i=1}^{n}\left ( \frac{c_ix^{n-i}}{(n-i)!} \right )
 
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