Laser Tube Cavities: Increasing Power w/Mirrors?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of enhancing laser power by adding mirrors around a laser tube cavity to reflect spontaneous emissions back into the tube. Participants explore the implications of this setup on the behavior of photons and the potential for increased output power from the laser.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that adding mirrors around the laser tube cavity could reflect spontaneous emissions back into the tube, potentially inducing emissions down the main laser axis where they can be absorbed.
  • Another participant questions whether the reflected photons are of the same wavelength as the main laser transition, suggesting that if they are, amplification rather than absorption would occur, possibly decreasing the power of the main output beam.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the mirrors should prevent spontaneous photons from being emitted in directions other than the main axis, thereby increasing the likelihood of stimulated emission along that axis.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of completely surrounding the cavity with mirrors, noting that some photons would eventually escape, regardless of the setup.
  • A participant proposes a theory that if photons take longer to find a sink due to being reflected, the preferred emission direction would be towards the main axis, potentially increasing power output, though the extent of this increase remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and feasibility of the proposed mirror setup, with no consensus reached on whether it would lead to increased laser power or how the dynamics of photon behavior would play out.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts from quantum mechanics, including the uncertainty principle and the source-sink model of photons, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of photons in this experimental setup.

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Individuals interested in laser physics, experimental design in optics, and the theoretical implications of photon behavior in laser cavities may find this discussion relevant.

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Has anybody ever tried adding mirrors around a laser tube cavity where a lot of spontaneous emission can be reflected back into the tube? The idea is like this - if there is a low probablitity of absorption, perhaps the emissions will be induced to occur down the main laser tube where the outside world can absorb the beam. A reference paper for this is signaldisplay <dot-com>/laser.pdf
 
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It's not clear, are these photons the same wavelength as the main laser transition? Pump photon wavelength? Other?

If they are laser-transition photons, then I'd expect the population inversion to cause amplification, rather than absorption, of these photons. Amplification of the energy in these "off-axis" beams, I expect, would make for a decrease in power in the main output beam.
 
These are laser transition photons. In a laser, there is initially spontaneous emission of photons and many of these are "lost" in terms of their contribution to the beam. Some are on the main axis of the mirrors and therefore can participate in stimulated emission. The purpose of the mirrors around the outside of the cavity (not the main axis mirrors, but mirrors placed around the laser tube where spontaneous photons would be directed) is not to reflect the photons back into the lasing medium, but to prevent them from ever being emitted in the direction of the outside mirrors in the first place. If photons really have a source and a sink as Wheeler-Feynman suggested in 1940s, then without the sink part of the equation, the photons will cease to be generated. That is, the highly reflective mirrors around the cavity (not on the ends, again, a new set around the cavity), reduce the sink to a very low level so that any absorption of spontaneous photons is extremely minimal. Then the photon does not emit in that direction, but rather in a direction where a sink is more likely - on the main axis where it can participated in stimulated emission (increasing the gain) and then out the laser tube on the main axis. The power goes up, assuming the photons behave this way. The random nature of spontaneous emission in QM has always been a curious item, but the source-sink nature of photons goes back even to Einstein's mention of the ideas of Tetrode, who we communicated with frequently on the source-sink possibility of photons. This model explains a lot of aspects of photon entanglement, non-locality, etc. The experiment then, is to put highly reflective mirrors around the laser tube cavity, in addition to the mirrors on the end. The loss from spontaneous emissions is high, and being able to force them to emit originally down the main beam axis adds to the stimulated emissions already taking place.
 
I'm not familiar with the Wheeler-Feynman work, though I have worked a lot with lasers. It seems to me that those photons would eventually leave the cavity, since one cannot construct perfect 100% mirrors and cannot make them completely surround the volume -- therefore, there would always be a sink for spontaneously emitted photons.

But, you can always try building one and see what happens.
 
Thanks for your reply. Quantum mechanics is mostly about energy and time - the amount of energy one needs to transfer and the amount of time required (hence, the uncertainty principle). If it takes longer for photons to find the sink (because they keep getting bounced around) then the preferred emission will be the more available sink in the shorter period of time. This is my theory. If it works the power increase may be small, or it may be.. big! That would be great, but it's a simple experiment to try..If you are interested and find some useful data I can publish your results (before November).

Thanks,
Mike
 

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