Lattice Vibrations and em waves

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The discussion revolves around the interaction of electromagnetic (EM) waves with solid materials, specifically focusing on how these waves can influence lattice vibrations and electron excitations. Participants explore the conditions under which energy from EM waves is utilized for lattice vibrations, electron excitation, and scattering phenomena.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that EM waves can indeed contribute to lattice vibrations, particularly through optical branches in materials with complex structures.
  • It is suggested that lattice vibrations (phonons) are typically excited by infrared light, while visible light can excite electrons in insulators or semiconductors if the energy exceeds the band gap.
  • One participant questions the conditions under which radiation passes through a solid without absorption, leading to oscillation of the electron cloud at the frequency of the incident wave.
  • Another participant discusses the interaction of light with a mechanically distorted solid, suggesting that net charge displacement may be necessary for absorption, but expresses uncertainty about its applicability to glass.
  • It is noted that lattice vibrations are generally in the infrared spectrum, and that certain materials may not interact with visible light due to their vibrational characteristics.
  • A participant mentions the Debye model for acoustic modes and the Einstein model for molecular vibrations as frameworks for understanding these phenomena.
  • There is a request for resources on interpreting phonon band structures, indicating a desire for further understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the mechanisms of interaction between EM waves and solids, particularly regarding absorption and scattering. There is no consensus on the specifics of these interactions or the conditions under which they occur.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about material properties, such as band gaps and vibrational modes, which may not be universally applicable. The complexity of interactions and the dependence on specific material characteristics are acknowledged but not resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying solid-state physics, materials science, or anyone looking to understand the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and lattice structures in solids.

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Can EM waves falling on a solid contribute towards lattice vibrations?

If yes, then
i)when is the energy used in lattice vibrations,
ii)when is it used in excitation of electron into higher energy level, and finally,
iii)when is the energy utilized for slight vibration of the electron cloud at the frequency of em wave thus producing a scattered EM wave ?

Do these happen simulataneously? What is the order and energy conditions for each of these happening?
 
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Yes.
i) Lattice vibrations (phonons) can be excited by light, but usually only so-called the optical branches, which not every material has (although every material with a structure more complex than a single atom per unit cell will have optical branches). These are pretty much always in the infrared part of the spectrum
ii) To excite electrons in an insulator or semiconductor, you need light that is larger than the (direct) band gap of the material. For Si that's aboue 1.3 eV, so any visible light will do, which gives it a very dark appearance since it absorbs most visible light (1.6 eV - ~3 eV) but for diamond the band gap is above 5 eV, so no visible light is absorbed. For metals, there is no band gap, so typically any light can excite electrons, and tends to interact with plasmons [more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmon]
iii) I don't quite understand what you're asking in this one, but it might be discussed on the plasmon link above.
 
I understood the first two points.Thanks,kanato

In (iii) , I was simply asking under what circumstances the radiation is NOT absorbed but passes right through the solid causing the electron cloud surrounding the atom to oscillate slightly at the same freq. as the incident wave, hence each atom of the lattice producing a spherical wave of the same freq. as the incident wave (scattering on the surface of a solid)
 
In general if there is any net charge displacement associated with a mechanical distortion of the solid, there ought to be an interaction with light of the same wavelength. In other words, the positively charged atomic lattice vibrates mechanically while the total electron cloud lags slightly behind. I can't think of any other mechanism for the overall absorption of light by a solid. I don't know why this mechanism doesn't work for glass.
 
Lattice vibrations are pretty much always in the infrared spectrum. Generally the phonons that you are talking about are called IR active because they interact with light for exactly the reason you describe. It probably does work for glass, but since it is in the IR part of the spectrum it does not affect the way glass interacts with visible light.
 
few cents..
allmost all molecules have acoustics (roughly less than 12 meV or 100cm^-1 in the phonon vibrational density spectrum) and intermolecular vibrations (one can separate them by seeing the spectrum). I am writing this based on nuclear scattering technique.
For pure element..acoustic modes-sound waves is dispersed..
As far as i know Debye model gives a good explanation for acoustic and Einstein for molecular vibrations.
 
can anybody tell me how to interpret phonon band structures.any book available or any material which would help me.
 

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