Lead is compressed reversibly with T const, find dS

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The problem involves the reversible compression of lead at a constant temperature of 300K, transitioning from a pressure of 1 bar to 1000 bar. The original poster seeks to determine the change in entropy (dS) using a Maxwell relation derived from the Gibbs free energy function, with a specified volume of 10-3 m3.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the Maxwell relation and considers rearranging it to express the change in entropy in terms of pressure change. They question the validity of manipulating derivatives in this context. Other participants affirm the correctness of the approach, while the original poster seeks clarification on the necessity of integration given the large pressure change.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the small volume change during the compression process. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the Maxwell relation, but questions remain about the treatment of the pressure change and the need for integration.

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Participants note that the volume change is only 0.2% between the two pressures, suggesting that the volume can be considered nearly constant during the process.

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Homework Statement


Lead is compressed reversibly and with temperature kept constant at 300K, and from pressure of 1bar to 1000 bar. Assuming the change in volume is small, what is the change in entropy S? Use the Maxwell relation derived from Gibbs free energy function. V = ##10^{-3}m^3##.

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##(\frac{\partial{V}}{\partial{T}})_p = -(\frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{p}})_T## Maxwell Relation
##\kappa = \frac{1}{V}(\frac{\partial{V}}{\partial{T}})_p = 8\times 10^{-5}K^{-1}##
##\beta = -\frac{1}{V}(\frac{\partial{V}}{\partial{p}})_T = 2.2\times 10^{-6}bar^{-1}## Where the T is meant to be a subscript denoting T constant for that derivative, but I can't make it look much like a subscript.

3. The Attempt at a Solution

From the Maxwell Relation,
##\kappa V = -(\frac{\partial{S}}{\partial{p}})_T##
And since the process is isothermal and I know dP, I'm wondering whether I can't just rearrange so that
## \kappa V \partial p = \partial S##
But that seems like wrong maths in terms of how you're allowed to treat derivatives. I suppose I'm essentially asking if that manipulation is allowed, and if not, I've tried using cyclic relationships, the central equation and other Maxwell relations but I can't seem to get anywhere. So what would I do instead?!

Thanks for any help!
 
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Looks correct to me.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Looks correct to me.
OK, thanks! But why can I do that without integrating? Because doesn't ##dp## represent a small change in ##p##, while we're looking at a change of ##999bar## in this case?
 
Kara386 said:
OK, thanks! But why can I do that without integrating? Because doesn't ##dp## represent a small change in ##p##, while we're looking at a change of ##999bar## in this case?
Between 1 bar and 1000 bars, the volume only changes of 0.2%. So, it is essentially constant. So, the integrand is essentially constant.
 
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