Learning Calculus: Chain Rule and Derivatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the chain rule in calculus, specifically focusing on how to differentiate functions involving exponential terms like 2^2+x and 3^4+x. Participants explore the application of the chain rule and clarify misconceptions regarding derivatives of exponential functions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about differentiating functions like 2^2+x and 3^4+x, questioning whether this will be covered later in their calculus studies.
  • Another participant provides a straightforward differentiation of 2^2+x and 3^4+x, stating their derivatives are both 1, but later assumes the functions were meant to be 2^(2+x) and 3^(4+x), which require the chain rule.
  • A different participant states the chain rule formula and provides an example involving the derivative of 2sin(x), although it does not directly relate to the original question.
  • One participant corrects a previous claim about the derivative of 2^x, detailing the correct process using logarithmic differentiation.
  • Another participant summarizes that the derivative of a^x is (ln a)a^x for any positive a, noting that for a=e, the derivative simplifies to 1.
  • A participant provides the derivatives of 2^(2+x) and 3^(4+x) using the chain rule, demonstrating the application of logarithmic differentiation.
  • A link to Wolfram Alpha is shared for further exploration of the derivative of 2^(2+x^2), suggesting additional resources for learning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial understanding of the functions to be differentiated, leading to some confusion. Participants provide differing views on the correct approach to differentiation, particularly regarding the application of the chain rule and logarithmic differentiation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the functions being discussed may not be clear, and there are unresolved steps in the differentiation process that could lead to different interpretations of the derivatives.

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I am currently learning calculus and just had my lecture on the chain rule.

I noticed that we haven't learned how to take the derivative of a function like 2^2+x or 3^4+x.
Any example works.. Is this something I will learn later as I progress through calculus or what?
 
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MotoPayton said:
I am currently learning calculus and just had my lecture on the chain rule.

I noticed that we haven't learned how to take the derivative of a function like 2^2+x or 3^4+x.
Any example works.. Is this something I will learn later as I progress through calculus or what?

Assuming you meant what you wrote, these are very simple to differentiate. 2^2 + x = 4 + x, and its derivative is 1.

3^4 + x = 81 + x, and its derivative is also 1.

Now, assuming you meant 2^(2 + x) = 22 + x, and 3^(4 + x) = 34 + x, these functions can be differentiated when you know the chain rule form of the derivative of the exponential function.
 
chain rule : F'(x) = f(g(x)) g'(x)

example: take f(x) = 2sin(x) .....f'(x)=2sin(x)cos(x)
 
Not quite right. The derivative of 2^x is not just 2^x, you need to proceed as follows:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} 2^x = \frac{d}{dx} e^{x log2} = \frac{d}{dx} (e^x)^{log2} = e^x log2*(e^x)^{log2-1} = log2*2^x[/tex]

So:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} 2^{sin(x)} = log2*cos(x)*2^{sin(x)}[/tex]
 
my bad. not even a good example.
 
Generally, for any positive a, the derivative of [itex]a^x[/itex], with respect to x, is [itex](ln a)a^x[/itex]. Of course, if a= e, ln(a)= ln(e)= 1.
 
So finish this off ...
Derivative of 2^(2 +x) = (Ln 2) [2^(2+x)] (2+x)' = (Ln 2) [2^(2+x)]
and
Derivative of 3^(4 +x) = (Ln 3) [3^(4+x)] (4+x)' = (Ln 3) [3^(4+x)]

Just for fun checkout Derivative of 2^(2+x^2)
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=derivative+2^%282+%2B+x^2%29+dx
Click on "Show Steps" to see the solution
 

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