Learning Feynman Diagrams: Matrices & Dirac Adjoints

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The discussion revolves around understanding Feynman diagrams, particularly focusing on the role of matrices, the Dirac adjoint, and the imaginary terms associated with Feynman propagators. Participants explore the theoretical framework and notation involved in quantum electrodynamics (QED) and perturbative expansions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the connection between matrices, the Dirac adjoint, and Feynman propagators, questioning the presence of imaginary terms.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of Feynman diagrams as terms in the perturbative expansion of the scattering operator, including the role of the interaction Hamiltonian and Wick's theorem.
  • A participant mentions that calculations involving Feynman diagrams are typically advanced topics covered in quantum field theory courses, suggesting a focus on descriptive understanding for beginners.
  • Recommendations for resources include a book by Frank Close on elementary particles and their interactions, as well as Feynman's own book "QED: the Strange Theory of Light and Matter" as useful introductory materials.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of Feynman diagrams and the advanced nature of the calculations involved. However, there is no consensus on the best approach for a beginner to understand the material, with differing opinions on suitable resources.

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The discussion highlights the limitations of the participants' backgrounds, with some expressing a lack of familiarity with the terminology and concepts involved in Feynman diagrams and quantum field theory.

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This discussion may be useful for high school students or beginners in physics who are interested in learning about Feynman diagrams and quantum electrodynamics, as well as those seeking resources to aid their understanding of these concepts.

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I am trying to learn about Feynman diagrams and am confused by some of the notation. In particular, what do matrices, in particular the Dirac adjoint, have to do with Feynman propogators and why are they in imaginary terms?
 
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Immortalis said:
I am trying to learn about Feynman diagrams and am confused by some of the notation. In particular, what do matrices, in particular the Dirac adjoint, have to do with Feynman propogators and why are they in imaginary terms?

Feynman diagrams are terms in the perturbative expansion of the scattering operator
[tex]S = \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} \frac{(-i)^{n}}{n!} \int \cdots \int d^{4}x_{1} \cdots d^{4}x_{n} \ T \big\{ \mathcal{H}(x_{1}) \cdots \mathcal{H}_{I}(x_{n}) \big\} ,[/tex]
where [itex]T[/itex] time-orders the product of operators, and [itex]\mathcal{H}_{I}[/itex] is the interaction Hamiltonian. For QED,
[tex]\mathcal{H}_{I}(x) = - \mathcal{L}_{int.}(x) = -e N \big\{ \bar{\psi}(x) \gamma^{\mu}\psi (x) A_{\mu}(x) \big\} ,[/tex] where [itex]\mathcal{L}_{int.}[/itex] is the interaction Lagrangian, and [itex]N\{\cdots\}[/itex] denotes the normal ordering product. For two scalar operators at [itex]t_{1}\neq t_{2}[/itex], Wick’s theorem relates the T-product to the Normal order product [itex]N\{\cdots\}[/itex] and the Feynman propagator [itex]\Delta_{F}[/itex]:
[tex]T \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} = N \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} + i \Delta_{F}(x_{1}-x_{2}) ,[/tex] with
[tex]i \Delta_{F}(x_{1}-x_{2}) = \langle 0 | T \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} | 0 \rangle .[/tex]
Since you are learning about Feynman diagrams, make sure that you learn and understand all the under-lined words and phrases.
 
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samalkhaiat said:
Feynman diagrams are terms in the perturbative expansion of the scattering operator
[tex]S = \sum_{n = 0}^{\infty} \frac{(-i)^{n}}{n!} \int \cdots \int d^{4}x_{1} \cdots d^{4}x_{n} \ T \big\{ \mathcal{H}(x_{1}) \cdots \mathcal{H}_{I}(x_{n}) \big\} ,[/tex]
where [itex]T[/itex] time-orders the product of operators, and [itex]\mathcal{H}_{I}[/itex] is the interaction Hamiltonian. For QED,
[tex]\mathcal{H}_{I}(x) = - \mathcal{L}_{int.}(x) = -e N \big\{ \bar{\psi}(x) \gamma^{\mu}\psi (x) A_{\mu}(x) \big\} ,[/tex] where [itex]\mathcal{L}_{int.}[/itex] is the interaction Lagrangian, and [itex]N\{\cdots\}[/itex] denotes the normal ordering product. For two scalar operators at [itex]t_{1}\neq t_{2}[/itex], Wick’s theorem relates the T-product to the Normal order product [itex]N\{\cdots\}[/itex] and the Feynman propagator [itex]\Delta_{F}[/itex]:
[tex]T \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} = N \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} + i \Delta_{F}(x_{1}-x_{2}) ,[/tex] with
[tex]i \Delta_{F}(x_{1}-x_{2}) = \langle 0 | T \big\{ \phi^{\dagger}(x_{1}) \phi (x_{2}) \big\} | 0 \rangle .[/tex]
Since you are learning about Feynman diagrams, make sure that you learn and understand all the under-lined words and phrases.
As I am currently a high school senior with basic experience in physics and calculus, and much of this terminology flies over my head, would you know any good places where I can break this down so I can understand it?
 
Immortalis said:
As I am currently a high school senior with basic experience in physics and calculus, and much of this terminology flies over my head, would you know any good places where I can break this down so I can understand it?
Well, calculations based on Feynman diagrams are post-grad stuff, normally covered in quantum field theory courses. So, you should for now just trust the descriptive explanation of the diagrams. I believe Frank Close wrote a nice little book about elementary particles and theire interaction, which can be appropraite to your level.
 
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I think Feynman himself touches on his diagrams towards the end of his book QED: the Strange Theory of Light and Matter. It's a pretty good introduction.
 

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