Learning physics with an understanding of maths

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mathematical knowledge and the study of physics, particularly at the undergraduate level. Participants explore the necessary mathematical background for physics majors and the time required to learn physics concepts given a strong foundation in mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how long it would take to learn a BSc degree level of physics with a strong mathematical background, suggesting that learning physics might be easier with advanced math knowledge.
  • Another participant argues that while a strong mathematical toolbox can facilitate learning physics, the integration of math and physics concepts in problem-solving remains challenging.
  • It is noted that applying math and physics concepts together is perceived as the difficult aspect of studying physics.
  • A participant inquires about the specific math topics necessary for a physics major, receiving a list that includes calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations.
  • One participant clarifies their current level of mathematical knowledge and expresses a desire to understand the math needed for a physics graduate, indicating a misconception about the necessity of advanced topics like real analysis and abstract algebra for undergraduate studies.
  • Another participant confirms that the listed math topics are sufficient for undergraduate physics and mentions that deeper math is required for specialization in graduate studies, such as string theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of a solid mathematical foundation for studying physics, but there are differing views on the specific math topics required and the perceived difficulty of integrating math with physics concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of advanced math topics for undergraduate physics, and there is a lack of consensus on the exact mathematical prerequisites for different areas of specialization in physics.

Who May Find This Useful

Students considering a transition from computer science to physics, individuals interested in the mathematical foundations of physics, and those exploring career paths in quantum computation may find this discussion relevant.

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Sorry if this is in the wrong section.

Anyway I have one question given a student with a knowledge of the following subjects: Calculus, MultiVariable calculus, Real Analysis, Complex Analysis, Linear Algebra and abstract Algebra. How long in general would it take to learn a BSC degree level worth of physics? Is the difficulty and time consuming part learning the math as opposed to learning the concepts? Such that given a strong background in maths learning the physics would be easy (in the sense that you could get through the material quickly). Okay maybe that was more than one question but oh well.

Thanks for your help
 
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The math is intertwined in the physics. Knowing math doesn't mean you can simply tack on the concepts and know physics. Your mathematical toolbox will make the process a lot smoother, yes. However, time must be payed, especially in problem solving.
 
Applying the math and concepts together to a problem is the hard part of physics, at least in my opinion it is.
 
Thanks for your help.

One more question: What topics in maths would one need to know as a physics major at the end of undergraduate studies?
 
Single & Multivariable calculus, vector calculus, linear algebra, ordinary and partial differential equations. Most would do some complex analysis as well.

Despite your strong background in math, you lack any differential equations. Differential equations are the most important math course for physics.

And yes, physics should be easy with the math. You can probably do it in under 2 years.
 
I’m sorry but people seem to have misunderstood me. I don’t currently have that level of knowledge in maths, I just started learning calculus 1. I was attempting to understand the amount of math I would need to learn in order to have the equivalent mathematical background to that of a Physics Graduate. Not as much as I thought. I figured I would need Real Analysis and Abstract algebra as well as topology among many other topics. Am I right to say then that Real Analysis is a graduate subject then?

I’m currently studying Computer Science; however I have come to realize that I’m much more interested in physics. I can’t change my mind now as it’s too late so my plan is to continue studying computer science, finish my degree while learning maths and physics on the side. I’ve been studying maths for a couple of months now and have gone through Algebra 1, 2 ,Trig, Pre-Calculus, Calculus 1 and I have begun learning Classical Mechanics. I know for definite that my second year in Computer Science will cover Linear Algebra in some depth and hopefully by then I’ll have finished Calculus 1 and 2 and be starting Calculus 3: Multivariable Calculus, double integrals, Partial Derivatives and the like.

Hopefully I will know enough Math, Physics and Computer Science in order to do postgraduate work in Quantum Computation an area I’m extremely interested in that I understand will provide an extremely lucrative research career. Big Up the Qubits!

Thanks for everyone’s help and if anyone has any opinions of my career plan please say so and we can discuss! Thanks.
 
Well then, yes that is all you need for undergraduate physics. Deeper math comes with specialization. For example, if you specialize in string theory I've heard you'll need some topology. Ideally, you would need abstract algebra, differential geometry, and real analysis to study most graduate streams.
 

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