Legendre Transforms: U=U(S,V) vs U(V,P)

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The discussion centers on the application of Legendre transforms in thermodynamics, specifically contrasting the expressions U=U(S,V) and U=U(V,P). It highlights that while many texts define internal energy as a function of entropy and volume, others present it as a function of volume and pressure. The natural variables for internal energy are established as entropy (S) and volume (V), leading to the formulation of other thermodynamic potentials through Legendre transformations, such as free energy (F). The inquiry also raises the question of the implications of defining internal energy as U=U(T,P).

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When people do Legendre transforms they suppose that U=U(S,V). But you can see in some books that heat is defined by:
dQ=(\frac{\partial U}{\partial P})_{V}dP+[(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V})_P+P]dV

So they supposed obviously that U=U(V,P).

In some books you can that internal energy is function of T,P, and in some books function of V,T. Why then in definition of Legendre transforms of thermodynamics potential we use U=U(S,V). Tnx for the answer.
 
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You can, of course, express any thermodynamic potential by any pair of quantities you like, but there are "natural" ones. E.g. for the internal energy, U, the natural variables are S and V, because of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics:

\mathrm{d} U=T \mathrm{d} S-p \mathrm{d} V.

Now you can define other potentials to have other "natural" independent variables by Legendre transformations. E.g. the free energy trades S for T via:

F=U-T S.

Taking the total differential gives

\mathrm{d} F=\mathrm{d} U - T \mathrm{d} S-S \mathrm{d} T=-S \mathrm{d} T-p \mathrm{d} V,

etc.
 
Tnx. Do I get something with Legendre transforms if I defined
U=U(T,P)?
 

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