Lenz law how to find dA/dT and O?

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The discussion revolves around Lenz's law and the calculation of the rate of change of area (dA/dt) and the angle (θ) in the context of electromotive force (EMF) and current. Participants are exploring the relationships between area, magnetic field, and induced EMF in a specific problem setup.

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  • Participants discuss the need for functional forms rather than differentiating constant values. There is a focus on understanding the initial configuration of the problem and how it affects the calculation of area and EMF. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the angle and the final geometric configuration of the setup.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly in terms of calculating average EMF and current. There is an ongoing exploration of the initial conditions and the implications for the area calculation. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the wires involved are of a specified length, which may influence the geometric considerations in the problem. There is uncertainty regarding the initial area and how it changes during the process.

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The square loop in Figure P31.26 is made of wires with total series resistance 10.0 (. It is placed in a uniform 0.100-T magnetic field directed perpendicularly into the plane of the paper. The loop, which is hinged at each corner, is pulled as shown until the separation between points A and B is 3.00 m. If this process takes 0.100 s, what is the average current generated in the loop? What is the direction of the current?
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Hello,
I am new and I have a question about the lenz law. How I am suppose to find DA/dt and o in this problem? A= 9 but D(9)/dt is equal to 0 ? And I don't really know what is the angle o means in this formula. If I found the voltage i can find the current with I= eps/Req .
 
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It won't work if you just differentiate a value, you must be working with functional forms. Since ##\cos{\theta} = \vec{B} \cdot \vec{A} = 1##, your equation for EMF will reduce to $$\mathcal{E} = -B\frac{dA}{dt}$$Since it asks for average current, you can work out the average EMF by changing that derivative to a ratio of finite changes,$$\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle = -B\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}$$It is not clear to me what the starting configuration is. Are we to assume that initially the distance between A and B is zero (i.e. the initial area enclosed is zero), and that we pull them apart until they are at a separation of ##3 \text{m}##? If so, you should be able to calculate the change in area during the process (the final state is two equilateral triangles) and with ##\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle## you can find ##\langle I \rangle## with Ohm's law.
 
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etotheipi said:
It won't work if you just differentiate a value, you must be working with functional forms. Since ##\cos{\theta} = \vec{B} \cdot \vec{A} = 1##, your equation for EMF will reduce to $$\mathcal{E} = -B\frac{dA}{dt}$$Since it asks for average current, you can work out the average EMF by changing that derivative to a ratio of finite changes,$$\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle = -B\frac{\Delta A}{\Delta t}$$It is not clear to me what the starting configuration is. Are we to assume that initially the distance between A and B is zero (i.e. the initial area enclosed is zero), and that we pull them apart until they are at a separation of ##3 \text{m}##? If so, you should be able to calculate the change in area during the process (the final state is two equilateral triangles) and with ##\langle \mathcal{E} \rangle## you can find ##\langle I \rangle## with Ohm's law.
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Thanks i got the right answer but i don't know how you found that final state is two equilateral triangles? Because if AB=3 what the length of the other sides. Thanks again
 
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Thanks i got the right answer but i don't know how you found that final state is two equilateral triangles? Because if AB=3 what the length of the other sides. Thanks again

All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:
 
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All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:

etotheipi said:
All of the wires are given to be of length ##3\text{m}## :smile:
Ok i got it, thanks you for helping ! Have a nice day
 
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