Lenz's law questions from a dad of a smart son

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around ideas for a science fair project related to Lenz's law, particularly focusing on the interaction of a magnet with a copper pipe. Participants explore various experimental approaches, practical applications, and related concepts in electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest measuring the time it takes for a magnet to fall through different pipes, proposing hypotheses about how variations in pipe length, diameter, and material could affect the results.
  • Others recommend focusing on the wall thickness of the pipe and suggest creating a speedometer to measure the magnet's speed as an achievable project.
  • There is mention of using different grades of metal for the pipes, although sourcing may be challenging.
  • Some participants propose that if changing pipe thickness is cost-prohibitive, other variables like material resistance could be explored instead.
  • One participant notes that Lenz's law and Faraday's law are related, with Lenz's law explaining the negative sign in Faraday's law.
  • Suggestions include demonstrating the relationship between magnetism and electricity through experiments like passing a magnet through coiled wires or creating homopolar motors.
  • Concerns about the cost of materials are raised, with some participants suggesting alternative, less expensive materials like aluminum window frames.
  • There are discussions about the magnetic field characteristics of dipole magnets and the importance of pipe dimensions for optimal results.
  • One participant suggests an experiment involving magnetic surface currents and their relation to the magnetic fields of permanent magnets and solenoids.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the feasibility of using a magnet through a pipe as a science fair project, but there are multiple competing views on the best approach, materials, and specific experiments to conduct. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal experimental design and materials.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential challenges in sourcing materials, the need for clear definitions of terms, and unresolved details regarding experimental setups and measurements.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for parents and educators looking for creative science fair project ideas related to electromagnetism, as well as students interested in exploring Lenz's law and its applications.

  • #31
cruxx said:
but if i get him a 3/4 inch magnet ball

You'll want to purchase a cylindrical magnet, or a stack of cylindrical magnets, such that their length is greater than the diameter of the tube. The magnetic field generated in the tube is opposite to that of the falling magnet, and will cause the magnet to flip on its way down.

cruxx said:
i did find some pipe i could afford like in the 20 30 dollar range

I just did the experiment with a full roll of aluminum foil, and magnets I have around the house.
Total cost: $0.00

It didn't work quite as well as the magnets down my copper pipe.*
But my copper pipe has a smaller diameter than my roll of aluminum foil, and I concluded that for really impressive results, you want to keep the diameter of the magnet as close to the diameter of the tube as possible. Without it getting stuck on the way down, of course.

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*This last summer, the water bureau was fixing my neighbors water pipes at the meter, and I went to investigate. One of the 14 supervisors had a healthy length of copper tubing in his hand, so I ran back home, grabbed my magnets, ran back, showed him your science experiment, and he gave me the tube in appreciation. Yippie!
 
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  • #32
OmCheeto said:
fixing my neighbors water pipes at the meter...a healthy length of copper tubing
I think the flexible copper pipe for underground use is pure copper and has better conductivity than the rigid indoor pipe, which is an alloy.

I found some discarded hollow aluminum deck railings and a heavy aluminum grill for a portable gas stove,
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both of which slow down magnets impressively.

If you know the physics of "how stuff works" you can find interesting materials free or cheap. For example, magnets in hard drives, speakers, microwaves and vibrating toothbrushes.

I can't think of where you would find thick copper or aluminum tubes.
 

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