Understanding & Applying Lenz's Law

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The discussion revolves around understanding and applying Lenz's Law in the context of electromagnetic induction, particularly how to determine the direction of induced electromotive force (emf) when a conductor moves through a magnetic field. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical applications, and clarify misconceptions related to the law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in applying Lenz's Law to predict the direction of induced emf, despite understanding Faraday's law.
  • Another participant suggests using the right-hand rule to determine the direction of the induced current and emphasizes that the induced current must oppose the magnetic field of the permanent magnet.
  • A third participant clarifies the situation by analyzing two cases: one where the loop is moving towards the center of the magnets (increasing flux) and one where it is moving away (decreasing flux), detailing the resulting induced currents and their directions.
  • Some participants discuss the significance of the "minus" sign in Faraday's law as it relates to Lenz's Law, suggesting it prevents the creation of infinite energy sources.
  • There is a question about whether the conductor in the original post is a loop or just a straight conductor, with a consensus that it must be a loop to have an induced current.
  • A later reply indicates that the discussion has helped clarify some points for the original poster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of the conductor being a loop for induced current to exist. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the application of Lenz's Law and the interpretation of the changing magnetic field as the conductor moves.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in understanding arise from the definitions of terms like "flux" and the conditions under which Lenz's Law applies. The discussion does not resolve all mathematical steps or assumptions regarding the scenarios presented.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those studying electromagnetic induction and seeking clarification on Lenz's Law and its applications.

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I have been studying electromagnetic induction and have looked at the laws of Faraday and Lenz.

Faraday's law makes perfect sense to me, but I can't seem to grasp Lenz's law. I have read about it and watched many yt videos, and the idea seems simple. But actually using it to predict e.g. the direction of induced emf, I am having some trouble with.

Consider the following diagram. It shows a conductor being moved downwards through the poles of two magnets.

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The flux through the conductor is changing, so an emf is induced. Lenz's law tells us that: 'The direction of the induced emf is such as to oppose the change that caused it.'

As I understand it, this means that the current induced in the conductor will flow in a direction such that it creates a magnetic field which is opposing the CHANGE IN the external magnetic field (going L>R in the diagram between the magnets). This counteracts the downwards motion of the conductor. This makes sense.

But how do I actually work out the direction of this current? I don't understand how exactly the external field is "changing" as the conductor moves through it.

Could somebody please clarify this and talk through how they would work it out.
Many thanks in advance.
 

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The induced EMF creates a current that has magnetic fields that are sort of given by the right hand rule=I like to think of it as a current into the paper creates a clockwise magnetic field. I don't use a right-hand rule, although many people do. These EMF's and currents must be such as to oppose the field of the permanent magnet. If you pick one direction as a guess, and check the magnetic field, and it points in the same direction as that of the permanent magnet, then you guessed wrong and it must be the other direction.
Edit: After reading @ZapperZ 's post, I realized that I forgot to mention one thing: For the case I did above, I'm referring to when you move the loop into the space between the two magnetic poles. If you then remove the loop from that space, the response is in the opposite direction.
 
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thebosonbreaker said:
I have been studying electromagnetic induction and have looked at the laws of Faraday and Lenz.

Faraday's law makes perfect sense to me, but I can't seem to grasp Lenz's law.

That's a bit puzzling, because Lenz's Law is the qualitative description of Faraday's law.

Let's look at your example. The B-field is pointing to the right.

Case 1: Loop sliding towards the center in between the magnets.

Here, the flux is increasing, since the B-field is getting larger. Thus, an induced current will try to oppose this change in flux by generating an induced current such that the induced field will be in the opposite direction, i.e. to the left. So looking FROM the left side, you'll see a ccw current.

Case 2: Loop passed through the center and sliding away from in between the magnets.

Here, the flux is decreasing, since the B-field is getting smaller. The induced current now will try to set up an induced B field to oppose this decrease. And so, it will generating an induced B-field pointing to the right, in the same direction as the external B-field. Thus, the induced current in the loop will be cw when viewed from the left side.

The "minus" sign in Faraday's law is exactly what is going on here to match Lenz's law in terms of the direction of the induced emf and current.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
The "minus" sign in Faraday's law is exactly what is going on here to match Lenz's law in terms of the direction of the induced emf and current.
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The logic of the situation is that it has to have the sign that it does. If the sign were different, there would be an infinite source of energy - just as with the Reactive Force in Newton's Third Law of Motion.
 
Is that rectangle moving down a loop or just "a conductor", as described in the OP?
 
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Is that rectangle moving down a loop or just "a conductor", as described in the OP?

It has to be a loop for there to be an "induced current" that the OP is describing. Furthermore, the concept of "flux" will not make much sense if this is just a wire that does not enclose an area.

Zz.
 
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Ok, things are a bit clearer now - thank you for all responses.
 

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