Let k∈N, Show that there is i∈N s.t (1−(1/k))^i − (1−(2/k))^i ≥ 1/4

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The problem involves showing that for a natural number \( k \), there exists a natural number \( i \) such that the expression \( \left(1-\frac{1}{k}\right)^{i}-\left(1-\frac{2}{k}\right)^{i} \) is greater than or equal to \( \frac{1}{4} \). The discussion centers around inequalities and approximations related to this expression.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants have attempted to apply Bernoulli's inequality, Newton's Binomial Theorem, and Taylor expansion but report difficulties in achieving the desired result. Some suggest numerical exploration with specific values of \( k \) and \( i \) to identify patterns. Others discuss the continuity of related functions and the implications of their derivatives.

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There is ongoing exploration of various mathematical approaches, including numerical observations and theoretical analysis. Some participants have noted the need to show certain properties of derived expressions, while others have raised questions about the implications of approximations and the requirement for \( i \) to be a natural number.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement that \( i \) must be a natural number, which complicates the use of certain approximations. The discussion also references specific mathematical limits and derivatives that may influence the analysis.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Bernoulli's inequality
Newton's Binomial
Taylor expansion
let ##k \in\mathbb{N},## Show that there is ##i\in\mathbb{N} ##s.t ##\ \left(1-\frac{1}{k}\right)^{i}-\left(1-\frac{2}{k}\right)^{i}\geq \frac{1}{4} ##

I tried to use Bernoulli's inequality and related inequality for the left and right expression but i the expression smaller than 1/4 for any i or k.
I also tried Newton's Binomial Theorem, Taylor expansion with no success.
 
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idobido said:
Homework Statement: not done
Relevant Equations: Bernoulli's inequality
Newton's Binomial
Taylor expansion

let ##k \in\mathbb{N},## Show that there is ##i\in\mathbb{N} ##s.t ##\ \left(1-\frac{1}{k}\right)^{i}-\left(1-\frac{2}{k}\right)^{i}\geq \frac{1}{4} ##

I tried to use Bernoulli's inequality and related inequality for the left and right expression but i the expression smaller than 1/4 for any i or k.
I also tried Newton's Binomial Theorem, Taylor expansion with no success.
Since you haven't had any success with the methods you've tried so far, it might be helpful to do some paper and pencil exploration. Start by setting k to 2, and seeing what happens for i = 1, i = 2, and so on.
Then set k = 3, and see what you get for i = 1, i = 2, and so on. You might be able to discover some pattern that will give you insight into a proof.
 
Maybe plot the function :
##f(x,y):=(1-\frac {1}{x})^y-(1- \frac {2}{x})^y-1/4##?
 
already did, it seems the f(k, k*ln2) >=0, i.e. k*ln2 is the solution, but this needed to be shown analytically,
and k*ln2 is not a natural number.
 
Let f_i(x) = (1 - x)^i - (1 -2x)^i with x \in [0,1]. This is continuous with f_i(0) = 0 for all i \geq 1, so the problem comes for large k.
 
And you have continuity + compactness, which guarantee extrema.
 
ok, only need to show now that
## \alpha\left(k\right)\ :=\ \left(1-\tfrac{1}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k}-\left(1-\tfrac{2}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k} ##
is decreasing for k>=3, i tried to show the first derivative non-positive but the expression i got is really complicated.
 
what’s an approximation for ##(1-1/x)^i## for large x?
 
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haruspex said:
what’s an approximation for ##(1-1/x)^i## for large x?
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idobido said:
ok, only need to show now that
## \alpha\left(k\right)\ :=\ \left(1-\tfrac{1}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k}-\left(1-\tfrac{2}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k} ##
is decreasing for k>=3, i tried to show the first derivative non-positive but the expression i got is really complicated.
I note that the original problem statement requires ##i\in\mathbb{N}##, so you cannot set ##i=k\ln(2)##.
The approximation I was thinking of was ##(1-1/x)^i\approx e^{-i/x}##. Using that, it is easy to show that ##i\approx k\ln(2)## near equality of the target inequality. It is not clear from the thread whether you already deduced that or merely observed it numerically.
 
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haruspex said:
I note that the original problem statement requires ##i\in\mathbb{N}##, so you cannot set ##i=k\ln(2)##.
The approximation I was thinking of was ##(1-1/x)^i\approx e^{-i/x}##. Using that, it is easy to show that ##i\approx k\ln(2)## near equality of the target inequality. It is not clear from the thread whether you already deduced that or merely observed it numerically.
i observed i = k*ln(2) numerically, i cant use approximation, i need to show that exactly. trying to follow te comments here:
https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...t1-frac1?noredirect=1#comment10074764_4748040

i got stuck at showing that ## \alpha\left(k\right)\ :=\ \left(1-\tfrac{1}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k}-\left(1-\tfrac{2}{k}\right)^{\ln\left(2\right)k} ## is decreasing for k>=3
 
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idobido said:
i cant use approximation
No, I know you can't use that simple approximation to answer the question. My point is that you can use it to show that the appropriate value of ##i## must be close to ##k\ln(2)##.
In principle, you might be able to use a more precise version of the approximation to solve the problem, though.
Note that ##k\ln(2)=k/2+k/12+k/30+…##.

I note this comment at the cited link "analyzing the relevant first derivatives/a well-known limit." Maybe that limit is ##\lim _{x\rightarrow\infty}(1-1/x)^i##.
 

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