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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of open sets within the context of topology, specifically focusing on a subset Y of ℝ². The original poster expresses confusion regarding the subspace topology and how to determine if a set A is open in Y.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of defining a topology on ℝ² before addressing the subspace topology of Y. Questions are raised about the use of open balls in metric spaces to demonstrate whether a set is open. There is exploration of constructing open balls around points in A and considerations of the complement of A to determine if A is closed.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between open sets and their complements, while others are exploring the definitions and properties of open and closed sets. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being considered.

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Halp! This is the last problem on my homework which is due tomorrow.


I don't know how to start this because, according to my textbook (Munkres), when we check whether a set A is open in Y, we are asking whether it belongs to the topology of Y. But I know nothing about the topology of Y, the subspace topology, because I first need to have a topology defined on ℝ2 in order to have a subspace topology.

From the book:

Definition. Let X be a topological space with topology T. It Y is a subset of X, the collection

TY = { Y intsct U | U in T}

is a topology on Y, called the subspace topology.
 
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i haven't studied topology, but I've studied a little bit of metric spaces. do you use concepts like open balls to show a set is open?
 


phiiota said:
i haven't studied topology, but I've studied a little bit of metric spaces. do you use concepts like open balls to show a set is open?

Yes.
 


okay, so for the first one, can you construct an open ball around any point in A that is contained in A? If you look at Y on a cartesian plane, you have all the points (x,y) where x>0, and y>=0. if you look at A, you have all the points where x>0, and y>0. for every point a=(xo,y0) in A, is there some r>0 st S(r)(a) is contained in A? (Sorry if my notation is a bit off). It looks like it. if you take r to be the min of d(x,0) and d(y,0), then shouldn't that ball be contained in A?

alternatively, what about it's complement? if it's complement is closed, then your set is open, right?

btw, there are relevant equations. what is the definition of open and closed?
 


phiiota said:
okay, so for the first one, can you construct an open ball around any point in A that is contained in A? If you look at Y on a cartesian plane, you have all the points (x,y) where x>0, and y>=0. if you look at A, you have all the points where x>0, and y>0. for every point a=(xo,y0) in A, is there some r>0 st S(r)(a) is contained in A?


Yes.

And when I look at the complement of A to see whether A is closed, I'm looking at Y\A is see if for every x in Y\A there exists an open ball containing x and contained in A. Right?
 

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