Is the Product Topology on X' x Y' Finer Than the Product Topology on X x Y?

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In summary: The student appears to be trying to prove a contradiction, rather than showing that the product topology on X' x Y' is not finer than the product topology on X x Y.
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I'm reading Topology by Munkres, and I'm having some trouble with exercise 5 on page 92 (screenshot attached).

Homework Statement


Let X and X' denote a single set in the topologies T and T', respectively; let Y and Y' denote a single set in the topologies U and U', respectively. Assume these sets are nonempty.
Show that if T' is finer than T and U' is finer than U, then the product topology on X' x Y' is finer than the product topology on X x Y.


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I think this is a counterexample...
Let T = T' = U = U' be the standard topology on ℝ. Let X = Y = Y' = (0, 1). Let X' = (2, 3).

X is open in X and Y is open in Y → X x Y is open in X x Y.
X is not a subset of X' →X is not open in X' → X x Y is not open in X' x Y'.
Hence the product topology on X' x Y' is not finer than the product topology on X x Y.
 

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So you're dropping to the subset topologies on X,X',Y and Y' right? However, the examples you've chosen are not comparable and so your result is meaningless (check Munkres, he even talks about how some topologies are not comparable). Hence the result only has meaning when you can compare the topologies.
 
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in your example, the topology on X' is not finer than that on X. why? because NONE of the open sets of X (except the empty set) are even in the topology for X'.

remember, a finer topology has to be a superset of the coarser topology, so X' has to have all of the open sets of X, plus more.

the point of the exercise is to consider two differing topology structures on the same underlying space, in other words two different elements of the power set:
P(XxY), given an already-established relationship between two subsets of P(X) and P(Y).
 

1. What is a product topology?

The product topology is a way of combining two or more topological spaces to create a new space. It is defined as the smallest topology that contains all possible products of open sets from the individual spaces.

2. How is a product topology different from other topologies?

The product topology is different from other topologies because it takes into account the interactions between two or more spaces, rather than just the properties of each individual space. It also allows for the combination of spaces with different topological properties.

3. How do you compare two product topologies?

To compare two product topologies, you can look at their basis elements, which are the subsets of the product space that are used to define the topology. If two product topologies have the same basis elements, they are considered equal.

4. Can a product topology be induced by a metric?

Yes, a product topology can be induced by a metric. If each individual space in the product has a metric defined on it, then the product topology can be induced by taking the Cartesian product of the individual metrics.

5. What are some applications of product topologies?

Product topologies have various applications in mathematics and physics. They are commonly used in the study of dynamical systems, where multiple systems interact with each other. They are also used in the field of topology data analysis, where data sets are combined and analyzed using product topologies.

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