LHC Sim: Hydrogen Atoms & Quark Charges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of hydrogen atoms during collisions in the LHC simulator, particularly focusing on the resulting particle trajectories and the role of quark charges in these phenomena. The scope includes conceptual understanding of particle collisions and the characteristics of resultant particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding the uniform direction of some particles versus others that exhibit a corkscrew pattern after hydrogen atom collisions.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the erratic spinning refers to protons before the collision or the products afterward.
  • A participant mentions that the collision products may exhibit different characteristics compared to protons, including variations in mass and charge.
  • One hypothesis suggests that the corkscrew pattern could be due to cyclotron orbits influenced by a magnetic field.
  • A later reply emphasizes that individual quarks cannot be observed directly due to color confinement, and only composite particles like hadrons are detected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes of the observed particle behavior, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the properties of particles post-collision and the influence of magnetic fields that remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the limitations of detecting individual quarks.

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I was on the LHC simulator and the collisions of the Hydrogen atoms were confusing. Why were some uniform in direction while some spinning erratically in a cork screw pattern? Does that behavior have anything to do with the positive or negative charges of the Quarks in the nucleus?
 
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Can you be more specific? What exactly was spinning erratically? The protons before the collision, or the products afterwards?
 
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It was the product of the collision. I assume the proton takes on different characteristics after the collision? Drakkith thanks for your patience I am a 52 year old construction superintendent without any formal physics training.
 

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The collision creates new particles using the kinetic energy of the colliding protons. These particles have properties that may be different from the proton. Some have more or less mass, a different charge, no charge, etc. Each of these particles leaves a different trail in the detectors, that is how we identify them.
 
the quark screw pattern might be because of the cyclotron orbit around the B field.
 
cragar said:
the quark screw pattern might be because of the cyclotron orbit around the B field.

Just so we're clear, individual quarks cannot be seen. It is impossible.
They are NEVER found without at least one other quark thanks to color confinement.

What is detected is only the hadrons and other composite particles that are made of quarks.
 

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