L’Hôpital’s Rule for indeterminate powers

In summary: However, the limit of the logarithm at 1 is not interesting, as it is the same as the limit of the original expression. The swapping occurs in going from ##\lim_{x \to 0^+} \ln y = \dots = 4## to the next equation which isn't shown. Namely, ##\lim_{x \to 0^+} \ln y = \ln(\lim_{x \to 0^+} <\text{stuff}>) = 4##. Here the limit operation and natural log are swapped.
  • #1
ChiralSuperfields
1,206
132
Homework Statement
Please see below
Relevant Equations
Please see below
For this,
1684824210724.png

Does someone please know why we are allowed to swap the limit as x approaches zero from the right of y with that of In y?

Thank you for any help!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Hi,
Isnt it so that if the limit of the logarithm is 4, then the limit the exercise asks for is ##e^4## ?
I don't see any swapping
x1+sin(4x)( )^cot xe^4
0.1​
1.389418​
26.51954​
54.59815​
0.01​
1.039989​
50.44658​
0.001​
1.004​
54.16361​
0.0001​
1.0004​
54.55449​
0.00001​
1.00004​
54.59378​

##\ ##
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes FactChecker and ChiralSuperfields
  • #3
Continuity of the function ln() at 1. Of course, the answer will have to be converted back, so 4 is not the final answer.
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields
  • #4
I think it's continuity of exp we need, since we're not pulling the limit inside the log. [tex]
\lim_{x \to a} f(x) = \lim_{x \to a} \exp(\ln f(x)) = \exp(\lim_{x \to a} \ln f(x)).[/tex]
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields, SammyS and FactChecker
  • #5
pasmith said:
I think it's continuity of exp we need, since we're not pulling the limit inside the log. [tex]
\lim_{x \to a} f(x) = \lim_{x \to a} \exp(\ln f(x)) = \exp(\lim_{x \to a} \ln f(x)).[/tex]
Good point. But I think we need the continuity of the log at one point and the continuity of exp at the end to undo what was done with the log.
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields
  • #6
Clearly it doesn't help us to look at [itex]g\left(\lim_{x \to a} g^{-1}(f(x))\right)[/itex] if we can't say anything about the behaviour of [itex]g^{-1}\circ f[/itex] near [itex]a[/itex].
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields and FactChecker
  • #7
pasmith said:
Clearly it doesn't help us to look at [itex]g\left(\lim_{x \to a} g^{-1}(f(x))\right)[/itex] if we can't say anything about the behaviour of [itex]g^{-1}\circ f[/itex] near [itex]a[/itex].
I see your point. Although the continuity of ln() is good motivation for taking logs, it is not an essential part of the proof.
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields
  • #8
BvU said:
Isnt it so that if the limit of the logarithm is 4, then the limit the exercise asks for is e4?
I don't see any swapping
The swapping occurs in going from ##\lim_{x \to 0^+} \ln y = \dots = 4## to the next equation which isn't shown. Namely, ##\lim_{x \to 0^+} \ln y = \ln(\lim_{x \to 0^+} <\text{stuff}>) = 4##. Here the limit operation and natural log are swapped.
From this we conclude that the original expression has a limit of ##e^4##.
FactChecker said:
Although the continuity of ln() is good motivation for taking logs, it is not an essential part of the proof.
Taking logs of both sides is the standard way of dealing with the limits of exponential expressions where the variable occurs in the exponent and possibly elsewhere.
 
  • Like
Likes ChiralSuperfields

What is L’Hôpital’s Rule for indeterminate powers?

L’Hôpital’s Rule is a mathematical theorem that helps evaluate limits involving indeterminate powers, such as 0^0, 1^∞, and ∞^0. It states that if the limit of a function f(x)/g(x) is in an indeterminate form, then the limit of the derivative of f(x)/g(x) is equal to the original limit.

How is L’Hôpital’s Rule used to solve limits with indeterminate powers?

To use L’Hôpital’s Rule, you first need to determine if the limit is in an indeterminate form. If it is, you can take the derivative of the numerator and denominator separately and then evaluate the limit again. This process can be repeated until the limit is no longer in an indeterminate form.

What are the indeterminate forms that L’Hôpital’s Rule can solve?

L’Hôpital’s Rule can solve the indeterminate forms of 0/0, ∞/∞, ∞-∞, 0*∞, and 1^∞. It cannot solve other indeterminate forms such as 0*∞ or ∞^0.

Are there any limitations to using L’Hôpital’s Rule?

Yes, there are limitations to using L’Hôpital’s Rule. It can only be used to solve limits with indeterminate powers, and it may not always work for more complex functions. Additionally, the rule assumes that the limit exists and does not work for limits that do not exist.

Can L’Hôpital’s Rule be used for limits involving trigonometric functions?

Yes, L’Hôpital’s Rule can be used for limits involving trigonometric functions. However, you may need to use trigonometric identities or other techniques to simplify the function before applying the rule.

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
630
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
14
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
23
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
34
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
17
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
16
Views
2K
Back
Top