L'Hopital's Rule for Solving Limits

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression (tan(x)-x)/(sin(2x)-2x) as x approaches 0, utilizing L'Hôpital's Rule due to the initial indeterminate form of 0/0.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of L'Hôpital's Rule, with attempts to differentiate the numerator and denominator multiple times. Questions arise regarding the correctness of derivatives and the application of the product rule.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process, while others express confusion about the results obtained, noting discrepancies with expected answers. The discussion reflects ongoing exploration of the limit evaluation without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential mistake in applying the product rule, and participants are navigating through the implications of their calculations, indicating a need for careful consideration of derivative rules.

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Homework Statement


lim as x->0 (tan(x)-x)/(sin2x-2x)


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l'hospital's rule states that if the limit reaches 0/0, you can take the derivative of the top and the bottom until you get the real limit.


The Attempt at a Solution



(sec^2(x)-1)/(2cos2x-2) still 0/0
2sec^2(x)tan(x)/(-4sin(2x)) still 0/0

I have pain stakingly taken the derivative twice more and it simply does not seem to reach any end. All help is very much appreciated!
 
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You are going to get a nonzero denominator at the next derivative after you've shown. It's a cosine.
 
You are correct and this does give me a non 0/0 answer but the answer is wrong according to the book. It should be -1/4.

My next derivative is:

(2*(2sec^2(x)tan(x))*tan(x))/(-8cos(2x))

In simpler terms

(4sec^2(x)tan^2(x))/(-8cos(2x))

The numerator becomes 0 with the limit and the demoninator becomes -8, making the limit 0.

Thanks
 
Why aren't you using the product rule on the numerator? What ARE you doing? The derivative of the tan(x) term will be nonzero.
 
I apologize, that was a careless mistake.

I'll post my solution if it's of any help to anyone...

the numerator becomes 2(sec^2(x)tan^2(x) + sec^2(x)),
which of course goes to 2 when pushed to 0
leaving 2/-8, or -1/4

Thank you so much!
 

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