Li ion battery electrode surface area

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of changing the surface area of electrodes in lithium-ion batteries, particularly regarding charging speed and discharge rates. Participants explore theoretical implications and practical considerations related to electrode surface area modifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that increasing the contact area between the electrode and the solution may enhance the production rate of ions, potentially speeding up the discharge process.
  • There is a notion that increasing surface area could lead to faster charging and discharging, but this may reach a saturation point where further increases have little effect.
  • Concerns are raised about the trade-offs of increasing surface area, such as the potential for reduced battery lifespan due to structural fragility from using highly porous or nanostructured materials.
  • One participant mentions that the topic is a subject of ongoing research, indicating that there are still many unknowns in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effects of surface area changes, with some agreeing on potential benefits while others caution about the drawbacks. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of increased surface area on battery performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the practical implications of their claims, including the dependence on specific conditions and the potential for saturation effects in the electrolyte solution.

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What effect (if any) would changing the surface area of electrodes in a lithium ion battery have?
Would it allow for faster battery charging? Faster discharge rate?

Thanks in advance
 
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As I understand, a lithium battery uses chemical reaction to generate electricity, as such, increasing the contact area between the electrode and the solution will increase the production rate of ions within the solution, but this may reach a maximum point where the solution is saturated or depleted that the area would have little influence on the reactions, but I would say, with some though not absolute certainty, that increasing the area of the electrode would speed up the discharge process.

Oh, by the way, I am not sure how good this site is for practical matters like this, most people I came across so far seem too involved in their abstract business to give useful answers, rather they just point out little things in my post that they found unappealing. Anyways, I hoped my post helped you in any ways.
 
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nick leigh said:
What effect (if any) would changing the surface area of electrodes in a lithium ion battery have?
Would it allow for faster battery charging? Faster discharge rate?

Thanks in advance

What has your reading indicated so far? Can you post links to what you have read on this subject so far? :smile:
 
24forChromium said:
As I understand, a lithium battery uses chemical reaction to generate electricity, as such, increasing the contact area between the electrode and the solution will increase the production rate of ions within the solution, but this may reach a maximum point where the solution is saturated or depleted that the area would have little influence on the reactions, but I would say, with some though not absolute certainty, that increasing the area of the electrode would speed up the discharge process.

Oh, by the way, I am not sure how good this site is for practical matters like this, most people I came across so far seem too involved in their abstract business to give useful answers, rather they just point out little things in my post that they found unappealing. Anyways, I hoped my post helped you in any ways.

Can you please send me a message with links to the replies that did not seem good? Thanks. BTW, if you ever see a post or reply that seems to go against the PF rules (see Info at the top of the page), please click the Report link on the post. The Mentors are pretty good at responding to Reports quickly. :smile:
 
nick leigh said:
What effect (if any) would changing the surface area of electrodes in a lithium ion battery have?
Would it allow for faster battery charging? Faster discharge rate?

I believe that's correct and the subject of a lot of research.

One problem is that increasing the surface area by making it highly porus or using nano structures has side effects such as making the cell less robust (reduced life time). For example during charge/discharge there are volume changes that can damage fragile 3D structures.

Recent news story..
http://www.geek.com/chips/forgetful-scientists-accidentally-quadruple-lithium-ion-battery-lifespan-1631273/
 

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