Are left-invariant fields mapped onto the manifold Killing vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between left-invariant fields on a Lie group and Killing vectors on a Riemannian manifold. Participants explore whether left-invariant fields can be mapped onto Killing vectors and under what conditions this mapping holds, delving into concepts from differential geometry and Lie algebra theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the action of the group G on the manifold M is effective, then the mapping from left-invariant fields X to their corresponding fields X* is injective.
  • Others argue that if the action is not effective, the mapping may not be injective, leading to the conclusion that X* may not correspond to a Killing vector.
  • A later reply questions whether the existence of multiple Killing fields on M serves as a counter-example to the identification of X* with Killing vectors.
  • It is suggested that if the Lie algebra of G is equivalent to that of the Killing vectors on M, then it raises the question of whether G acts on M by isometries.
  • Some participants reference specific literature, such as Arthur Besse's "Einstein Manifolds," to support their claims regarding the relationship between X* and Killing fields.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which G acts on (M,g) by isometries, particularly in relation to the Lie algebra structure.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the definition of isometry groups and their implications for the geometry of the manifold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which left-invariant fields can be identified with Killing vectors, with no consensus reached on the overall relationship between these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the effective action of G and the nature of the mappings involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the effective action of G and the specific structure of the Lie algebras involved. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps related to the pushforward of group actions and the identification of vector fields.

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Left invariant fields on a group G satisfies a lie algebra; say we have an n-dimensional Lie algebra for which the fields ##{X_1, \ldots , X_n}## is a basis. Let these satisfy the algebra ##[X_a, X_b] = c_{ab}^c X_c##. Suppose now that we have a Riemannian manifold with killing vectors ##{\xi_1,\ldots, \xi_n}## and let they satisfy the same algebra ##[\xi_a, \xi_b] = c_{ab}^c \xi_c##. Let ##p \in M## and the action of the group G on M be denoted ##g \cdot p##. Then we have the map ##F: TG \to TM## given by

$$X_a \mapsto X_a^{*} := \left. \frac{d}{dt}\right|_{t = 0} e^{t X_a} \cdot p.$$

Is ##X_a^{*}## identical to the killing field ##\xi_a##? If so, how does one prove it?
 
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If the action is effective, then the map X-->X* is injective. If not, then it seems to me that X-->X* may be non injective. In that case, the answer to your question is certainly negative.

Even if we assume the action is effective, then just looking at the case where n=1. Any X in Lie(G) is such that [X,X]=0 as well as any Killing field on M satisfies [K,K]=0. But as soon as there exist two or more Killing fields on M, we have a counter-example to your question.
 
quasar987 said:
If the action is effective, then the map X-->X* is injective. If not, then it seems to me that X-->X* may be non injective. In that case, the answer to your question is certainly negative.

Even if we assume the action is effective, then just looking at the case where n=1. Any X in Lie(G) is such that [X,X]=0 as well as any Killing field on M satisfies [K,K]=0. But as soon as there exist two or more Killing fields on M, we have a counter-example to your question.

How does that counter-example arise? If we can't do the identification of the vector fields, does it however follow that if ##X## is a basis of the lie algebra of G, which is the same as that of the killing vectors on M, then ##X^*## is a killing vector? In other words, is ##\mathcal{L}_{X^*} g = 0## where g is the metric tensor on M?

At the start of page 182 in Arthur Besse's book "Einstein manifolds", he identifies ##X^*## with the Killing fields on M, but notes that

$$[X,Y]_{\mathcal{g}} = -[X^*,Y^*]$$

where ##[ \ , \ ]_{\mathcal{g}}## denotes the Lie bracket on the Lie algebra.

I think this would be provable if the map ##X \mapsto X^*## could formulated as a pushforward. And it seems that it would have to be related to the pushforward of the group action.
 
If G acts by isometries on (M,g), then X* is Killing for every X in Lie(G). Is that what you're asking?!
 
quasar987 said:
If G acts by isometries on (M,g), then X* is Killing for every X in Lie(G). Is that what you're asking?!

No, but rather: If the Lie algebra of G is 'equivalent' to the Lie algebra of the killing vectors on (M,g) will G act on M by isometries?

Take the example of spherical symmetry. According to Wald ( or Schutz spherical symmetry is defined as follows: If the Lie algebra of killing vector fields on (M,g) has a subalgebra which is the Lie algebra of SO(3), then we say that (M,g) has spherical symmetry.

Now take an basis vector of the Lie algebra of SO(3), let's call it X and map X according to ##X \mapsto X^*##. Do we then have that ##\mathcal{L}_{X^*} g = 0##?
 
Or simply: When does G act on (M,g) by isometries? When are ##X^*## the killing vectors on (M,g)?
 
So if I understand correctly the situation, you've read this abstract-looking definition and now you're trying to make sense of it. Is that what's going on?

If that is so, then I don't think you're asking the right question, because there is no a priori action of G on M in the definition of Wald. He only speak of the existence of an embedding of so(3) in k.

Here is how I would make sense of the definition however: The isometry group Isom(M,g) of a riemannian manifold is a finite dimensional Lie group with Lie algebra k (the Killing fields) (see Kobayashi-Nomizu). Therefor, by the general theory of Lie groups (see John Lee), if a is a subalgebra of k, there is a unique connected subgroup A of Isom(M,g) whose Lie algebra is a. On the other hand, since SO(3) also has Lie algebra a and is simply connected, SO(3) is the universal cover of A, and so there is a homomorphism (the covering map) SO(3)-->A\subset Isom(M,g). This, by definition, is an action of SO(3)~S² on M by isometries.
 
quasar987 said:
So if I understand correctly the situation, you've read this abstract-looking definition and now you're trying to make sense of it. Is that what's going on?

If that is so, then I don't think you're asking the right question, because there is no a priori action of G on M in the definition of Wald. He only speak of the existence of an embedding of so(3) in k.

Here is how I would make sense of the definition however: The isometry group Isom(M,g) of a riemannian manifold is a finite dimensional Lie group with Lie algebra k (the Killing fields) (see Kobayashi-Nomizu). Therefor, by the general theory of Lie groups (see John Lee), if a is a subalgebra of k, there is a unique connected subgroup A of Isom(M,g) whose Lie algebra is a. On the other hand, since SO(3) also has Lie algebra a and is simply connected, SO(3) is the universal cover of A, and so there is a homomorphism (the covering map) SO(3)-->A\subset Isom(M,g). This, by definition, is an action of SO(3)~S² on M by isometries.

You are right that I am looking to understand that definition and it's consequences.

Is there no canonical action of Isom(M) on M?

From what you just argued, is it possible to argue that a a manifold with SO(3) symmetry is isometric to a sphere? Or locally isometric? What about homeomorphic?
 

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