Lifting a survivor into a helicopter with a rope

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces acting on a rope used to lift a survivor into a helicopter. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically forces, acceleration, and drag.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force, drag force, and the angle of the rope. There are attempts to express the angle θ in terms of various parameters, including gravitational force and velocity. Questions arise about how to incorporate acceleration and the effects of changing velocity on drag.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different aspects of the problem and questioning the assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between forces and the angle, but no consensus has been reached on the specific approach to take.

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There is mention of relevant equations that are not specified, which may be critical to the discussion. Participants also consider the implications of approximations for small velocities.

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Homework Statement
A helicopter is flying horizontally with constant velocity ##v## and carries a survivor who hanging on a rope with length ##l##. Suddenly the pilot receives a message he has to pull the the survivor into the the helicopter as soon as possible. A paramedic on board starts to pull a hanging rope with such force that the length of rope is shortening with velocity ##v_k##.

What is the angle ##\theta## between the rope and vertical line?
Relevant Equations
Relevant equations are below.
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We have 2 forces affecting the rope: 1. Gravitational force of the body ##=mg## and 2. Force of air = Force of drag= ##F_{AIR}##.
The length of the rope is shortening with the velocity ##v_k##.
So to figure out the angle ##\theta## I wrote:
##R##= force of rope
##R_x = F_{AIR}##
##R_y = mg##

Now I know the acceleration is the first derivative of velocity, but don't know how to incorporate this with the angle ##\theta##, length of the rope and ##v_k##.
 
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Acceleration is not an issue. The reason that pulling the rope up matters is that is changes the velocity of the body through the air. There will be a downward component to the drag on the hanging body.

So ##F_{AIR}## will not be exactly horizontal.
 
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I assume we are to find θ in terms of Fg, v, vk and... something else, but what? Maybe the original FAIR, the original angle, or the coefficient of drag?
Using the original FAIR I get a quartic in tan(θ). The other choices I listed will be similar.
Perhaps you are expected to make an approximation for smallish vk.
 
bolzano95 said:
... What is the angle ##\theta## between the rope and vertical line?
Relevant Equations:: Relevant equations are below.
What are those relevant equations that are mentioned in the OP?
 

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